[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ah right, wasnt aware of that. I think I'd consider it an illness but I can see why they're responsible for actions, I still say being born a psychopath doesnt mean you're born "bad" though

Well "bad" is subjective. But no matter how they're brought up, a Psychopath will always play by their own rules. Some are quite subtle and some all out reckless

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well "bad" is subjective. But no matter how they're brought up, a Psychopath will always play by their own rules. Some are quite subtle and some all out reckless

Exactly that was the point I was trying to make to patsylimerick when she said people are born "bad" and "good" and some people are totally "bad"; they're only words really and peoples perception of the two is subjective. As for psychopaths I dont really know much about them tbh so I wouldnt really feel able to have a discussion on them

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Exactly that was the point I was trying to make to patsylimerick when she said people are born "bad" and "good" and some people are totally "bad"; they're only words really and peoples perception of the two is subjective. As for psychopaths I dont really know much about them tbh so I wouldnt really feel able to have a discussion on them

A good read.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by InOne

A good read.

Just looked it up on amazon, seems quite interesting actually, might try and give it a read

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't believe everyone can be fixed, I just don't think we should let that salt the effort to do so for the sake of public safety since not all crimes are punishable by life sentence. It's better to try and get through to a few then to throw them all away and take away any chance of them lving a lawful life because that will just lead to more crime.

I think psychopaths are a different and rare kettle of fish, obviously they should never re-enter society but true psychopaths are to rare to have an impact on rehibilation for everyone else I think.

yeah but the problem I have with rehabilitation is that the only way to know for sure if it works is sending the person back into society and that's risking innocent people, I don't think that's right

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yeah but the problem I have with rehabilitation is that the only way to know for sure if it works is sending the person back into society and that's risking innocent people, I don't think that's right

but what are the chances of him killing again? Like I said, serial killers are rare for a reason.

Personally, I'd prefer to live next door to him than some serial burglar. Everytime I left the house I'd be concerned he was round there raiding the place.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yeah but the problem I have with rehabilitation is that the only way to know for sure if it works is sending the person back into society and that's risking innocent people, I don't think that's right

It's better then not bothering and pretty much have most of them definiteley re-offend though.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

yeah but the problem I have with rehabilitation is that the only way to know for sure if it works is sending the person back into society and that's risking innocent people, I don't think that's right

Isnt that the case with anyone who commits any offence and is caught and punished for it though.

We release paedophiles, rapists, murderers, domestic abusers etc all the time, and lots do go on not to commit offences again.

Should we keep all criminals in jail for life and where do you draw the line between those who get a free life in prison and those who get released back into society?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

but what are the chances of him killing again? Like I said, serial killers are rare for a reason.

Personally, I'd prefer to live next door to him than some serial burglar. Everytime I left the house I'd be concerned he was round there raiding the place.

I actually meant more in general not specifically this case, this one is quite unusual cos he's young. You know, speaking about this case though, what I'm wondering is about the gun and how did he get his hands on it? I think the gun laws must be quite lax in the states, I hate the thought of having guns anywhere around children.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Isnt that the case with anyone who commits any offence and is caught and punished for it though.

We release paedophiles, rapists, murderers, domestic abusers etc all the time, and lots do go on not to commit offences again.

Should we keep all criminals in jail for life and where do you draw the line between those who get a free life in prison and those who get released back into society?

Yeah, it is and paedophiles regularly re offend, can paedophilia actually "be cured"? Would I like to keep all paedophiles locked away from children forever, absolutely. I realise that all of the list above can't be locked away forever, the jails would be bursting at the seams but I do think the more serious/severe cases and those who get life should be in for life.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You know, speaking about this case though, what I'm wondering is about the gun and how did he get his hands on it? I think the gun laws must be quite lax in the states, I hate the thought of having guns anywhere around children.

Its also very easy to pull a trigger. It's a split second decision with huge consequences. Which is another reason why he should be given a second chance at some point.

The Bulger case was a sustained, drawn out physical attack. He was tortured to death basically. But they get released after several years and this kid may die in prison.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Its also very easy to pull a trigger. It's a split second decision with huge consequences. Which is another reason why he should be given a second chance at some point.

The Bulger case was a sustained, drawn out physical attack. He was tortured to death basically. But they get released after several years and this kid may die in prison.

yeah the two cases are miles apart imo those two should never have been let out. And like you say, in this case, a little boy pulled the trigger of a gun it's very different alright.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, it is and paedophiles regularly re offend, can paedophilia actually "be cured"? Would I like to keep all paedophiles locked away from children forever, absolutely. I realise that all of the list above can't be locked away forever, the jails would be bursting at the seams but I do think the more serious/severe cases and those who get life should be in for life.

Yeah lots of paedophiles do re-offend, in my opinion chemical castration would remove sexual urges and still allow the person to be rehabilitated back into society, same for repeat or serial rapists. Dont think Europe would like it though.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I actually meant more in general not specifically this case, this one is quite unusual cos he's young. You know, speaking about this case though, what I'm wondering is about the gun and how did he get his hands on it? I think the gun laws must be quite lax in the states, I hate the thought of having guns anywhere around children.

Yeah the US Gun laws are quite liberal compared to those over here, its a right enshrined in their constitution.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah lots of paedophiles do re-offend, in my opinion chemical castration would remove sexual urges and still allow the person to be rehabilitated back into society, same for repeat or serial rapists. Dont think Europe would like it though.

I don't think a sexual attraction to children is anymore curable than any other sexual attraction. The best you can hope is that they learn to control their actions. Either by self control or pure fear of being arrested again.

I also think it's all in the mind so I don't see castration as any solution. Theyre not dogs in heat looking to shoot their load. It's much more than that. There's a social element where they just enjoy the company and control of children. Plus most child abuse happens within the home so there is usually some kind of relationship there already.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yeah lots of paedophiles do re-offend, in my opinion chemical castration would remove sexual urges and still allow the person to be rehabilitated back into society, same for repeat or serial rapists. Dont think Europe would like it though.

That sounds like a good solution to me, If it protects innocent children while not having to lock these people up forever then I don't see the problem.

Yeah the US Gun laws are quite liberal compared to those over here, its a right enshrined in their constitution.

Having a gun in your home when you have children is just wrong and irresponsible imo

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I don't think a sexual attraction to children is anymore curable than any other sexual attraction. The best you can hope is that they learn to control their actions. Either by self control or pure fear of being arrested again.

I also think it's all in the mind so I don't see castration as any solution. Theyre not dogs in heat looking to shoot their load. It's much more than that. There's a social element where they just enjoy the company and control of children. Plus most child abuse happens within the home so there is usually some kind of relationship there already.

A lot of control issues come from psycho-sexual urges, castration removes the sexual urge aspect, combined with electroconvulsive therapy to create aversion would not only cause them to have greater self control on release but create an enhanced deterrent.

It could even recoup some of the outlay to society by televising live treatment regimes. Puts a new spin on Big Brother. It could even add a new aspect to the gaming industry, how many volts can he take before he starts drooling.

[Angus]

Just try putting forward the solution of chemical castration for paedophiles (which should also be applied to all rapists IMO) and see the liberal minority come howling out of their ivory towers screeching about the human rights of the perpetrators to enjoy a sex life No doubt Cherie Blair and her ilk will be first in line to milk the system dry defending this scum - after all she's already made a small fortune off the back of The Human Rights Act. Good old hubby, responsible for introducing this iniquitous and unjust legislation which has subsequently lined the pockets of many lawyers, whilst depriving many victims of THEIR human rights as those of the criminal have been upheld