[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

This is not about ownership. It's simply about giving consumers equal opportunities. By your reasoning, a high street shop is well within their rights to refuse wheelchair access to their upper floor or a hotel can refuse a room to an Irish person. Attack laws against discrimination in the provision of goods and services all you like, but do you have a better suggestion?

I know. Isn't it incredibly selfish when people demand to be treated fairly? What front.

Do YOU have a better suggestion? There simply isn't one because by whatever way it's looked at - someone will have to accept being forced to do something they don't want to do -whether the owner or consumer. So explain to me....how is that treating the person offering the business fairly? Oh..... it's not. It's making them accept clientele that they may not wish to accept - for whatever reason. But because they own a business, that's just their tough luck isn't it.

I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that the whole Human Rights Act may have it's good side, there is a lot of down side to it as well.

Double edged sword as mentioned earlier. Damned if they do, damned if the don't.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Do YOU have a better suggestion?

There is no better suggestion. That's my point. I happen to believe people shouldn't be refused a good or service simply because of their race, sex, disability or sexual orientation. I'm sorry you don't agree.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There simply isn't one because by whatever way it's looked at - someone will have to accept being forced to do something they don't want to do -whether the owner or consumer. So explain to me....how is that treating the person offering the business fairly? Oh..... it's not. It's making them accept clientele that they may not wish to accept - for whatever reason. But because they own a business, that's just their tough luck isn't it.

Quibbles about certain aspects of discrimination law aside, if you take issue with the fact that the services industry cannot discriminate against certain minorities, what would you say to a guesthouse that telling a black family 'we don't allow n*****s in our establishment' or a newsagent that refuses to serve muslims or women. Because like it or not, that is essentially what you are defending. You can't argue one minority's rights are more important than another, but since you are so keen to pick and choose, you'll be reassured to know that registered religious charities such as churches have been given special treatment and can opt out in most circumstances. Not that the charities in question have ever shown an ounce of gratitude.

Not forgetting that your point raises questions about discrimination carried out by businesses against employees too. If they can refuse to serve somebody, why not refuse to employ certain people? Weren't the very same arguments as yours used to justify open discrimination in the workplace in a bygone era? I don't expect a self-described feminist would approve of such things.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is that the whole Human Rights Act may have it's good side, there is a lot of down side to it as well.

Yes, as has been hammered home ad nauseum by the populist brigade, you are entitled to an opinion. Give yourself a pat on the back for pointing this out. Does this mean that people who disagree with you are afforded the same right and you'll henceforth refrain from fulminating against the 'arsehold(sic) joe public... throw[ing] a strop' -in your own words- when they raise objections to guesthouses that refuse a room to gay couples?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Double edged sword as mentioned earlier. Damned if they do, damned if the don't.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

There is no better suggestion. That's my point. I happen to believe people shouldn't be refused a good or service simply because of their race, sex, disability or sexual orientation. I'm sorry you don't agree.



Quibbles about certain aspects of discrimination law aside, if you take issue with the fact that the services industry cannot discriminate against certain minorities, what would you say to a guesthouse that telling a black family 'we don't allow n*****s in our establishment' or a newsagent that refuses to serve muslims or women. Because like it or not, that is essentially what you are defending. You can't argue one minority's rights are more important than another, but since you are so keen to pick and choose, you'll be reassured to know that registered religious charities such as churches have been given special treatment and can opt out in most circumstances. Not that the charities in question have ever shown an ounce of gratitude.

Not forgetting that your point raises questions about discrimination carried out by businesses against employees too. If they can refuse to serve somebody, why not refuse to employ certain people? Weren't the very same arguments as yours used to justify open discrimination in the workplace in a bygone era? I don't expect a self-described feminist would approve of such things.


Yes, as has been hammered home ad nauseum by the populist brigade, you are entitled to an opinion. Give yourself a pat on the back for pointing this out. Does this mean that people who disagree with you are afforded the same right and you'll henceforth refrain from fulminating against the 'arsehold(sic) joe public... throw[ing] a strop' -in your own words- when they raise objections to guesthouses that refuse a room to gay couples?

Firstly, you can quit with the santimonious and patronising attitude towards my own comments. I'll think what I wish, because that's my choice. If you don't agree - great - I'm not asking you to. And yes, and you have pointed out - I have my right to my opiniion, and whilst you may not agree, you do have a right on this forum to respect another person's opinion.

I believe in these maters, that the Human Rights Act goes too far. since you are clearly unable to offer up any discussion or debate without being rude and condescending on a personal level - I see little point in continuing with you.

[bananarama]

For example when you see asian shops selling only asian clothes is that not discriminating against other cultures!!!!!!!!!

The whole business of free choice or not in a business environment is seriously flawed..One law for one and another law for someone else....

The other week I had to renew my driving licence with the picture type......Told on the form that a photo signed by a prominent person who has known me for at least two years is required...............Fine....However If i had been an immigrant and not been in the country for as long as two years I would be allowed to go to the nearest DVLA office and they would sign the picture......

As a resident in the country all my life that facility was denied me.........Yea.......discrimination against none immigrants.......

The law is an ass........Pressure groups minority groups get away with murder......

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bananarama

For example when you see asian shops selling only asian clothes is that not discriminating against other cultures!!!!!!!!!

The whole business of free choice or not in a business environment is seriously flawed..One law for one and another law for someone else....

The other week I had to renew my driving licence with the picture type......Told on the form that a photo signed by a prominent person who has known me for at least two years is required...............Fine....However If i had been an immigrant and not been in the country for as long as two years I would be allowed to go to the nearest DVLA office and they would sign the picture......

As a resident in the country all my life that facility was denied me.........Yea.......discrimination against none immigrants.......

The law is an ass........Pressure groups minority groups get away with murder......

Couldn't agree more.

I think of the schools that had to stop Nativity plays etc at Xmas time because it was offensive to the minority of non Christians who also attended - that's simply an example of how pathetic is all gets.

I've seen jobs being advertised in Mosques - and being advertised as 'Men only'.

Minority groups - regardless - do get away with murder. It's getting to the point that people can't say no through fear of getting dragged through law courts.

Madness. sheer madness.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Couldn't agree more.

I think of the schools that had to stop Nativity plays etc at Xmas time because it was offensive to the minority of non Christians who also attended - that's simply an example of how pathetic is all gets.

I've seen jobs being advertised in Mosques - and being advertised as 'Men only'.

Minority groups - regardless - do get away with murder. It's getting to the point that people can't say no through fear of getting dragged through law courts.

Madness. sheer madness.

Is that really happening in Primary Schools?