[Angus]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I don't see anything wrong with the term jew central. It just simply means lots of jewish people live there. ffs some people really need to quit applying great meaning to simple comments. I have no idea whether Vicky is racist or anything thing else but a comment like that certainly doesn't convict her.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out peoples differences. I think you'll find it's a primeval instinct of human beings and the root of tribalism.

So basically it's the prerogative of the person making the comment to determine whether or not he is insulting, offending and/or abusing the person to whom the comment is directed? Therefore no consideration needs to be given to the way in which the comment is received or the insult, abuse and/or offence being caused to the recipient of unsolicited comments which are, after all, merely opinions or "just words" directed towards them? Ooookay - whatever

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by angus58

So basically it's the prerogative of the person making the comment to determine whether or not he is insulting, offending and/or abusing the person to whom the comment is directed? Therefore no consideration needs to be given to the way in which the comment is received or the insult, abuse and/or offence being caused to the recipient of unsolicited comments which are, after all, merely opinions or "just words" directed towards them? Ooookay - whatever

only the person making the comment knows how it was intended. If you don't say something with any malice or ill intent then I don't think others have the right to twist it that way.

and you need to be consistent because Ive certainly seen many comments from you that are very hardfaced and totally lacking in any compassion. But now you wanna be all precious about a term like jew central?

whatever indeed!

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Zippy;4156238[B

]only the person making the comment knows how it was intended. If you don't say something with any malice or ill intent then I don't think others have the right to twist it that way. [/B]


and you need to be consistent because Ive certainly seen many comments from you that are very hardfaced and totally lacking in any compassion. But now you wanna be all precious about a term like jew central?

whatever indeed!

So the recipient of a comment has to now be psychic in order to determine whether the speaker "meant it" maliciously or not? It really astounds me on this forum the number of people who don't understand the difference between personal opinion and playing the devil's advocate.

Oh, I'm nothing if not consistent, there is no ambiguity about my comments - I don't hide behind political correctness, nor do I court popularity on what is essentially a debating forum. If I feel strongly about something I will state my case and I only react to others' insults, I don't set out to deliberately offend individuals as so many on here do. Friends I have a plenty in real life, I have no need to make psuedo friends in cyberspace. No fake camaraderie or sad cliques for me. There's always the "ignore" option available to anyone hacked off with me and my opinions - feel free.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by angus58

So basically it's the prerogative of the person making the comment to determine whether or not he is insulting, offending and/or abusing the person to whom the comment is directed? Therefore no consideration needs to be given to the way in which the comment is received or the insult, abuse and/or offence being caused to the recipient of unsolicited comments which are, after all, merely opinions or "just words" directed towards them? Ooookay - whatever

Would you have been so insulted if I, for example, referred to a street I used to live on as 'blondie avenue'? Just curious

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Would you have been so insulted if I, for example, referred to a street I used to live on as 'blondie avenue'? Just curious

I'm not at all insulted by anything you or anyone else has said on this thread, since I am debating from a philosophical and theoretical viewpoint, and offering my point of view (or have I misunderstood what "serious debates" is supposed to be about?). I am not Jewish but I can see that certain comments made on here would be considered offensive by a Jew. I am not blonde, but maybe that comment would also be offensive to someone who is. Who knows?

I have already stated that there is no such thing, in my opinion, as freedom of speech to say whatever you like. Anyone who believes there is, is seriously mistaken as they would find to their cost if they want to test that in real life and go insult some random strangers. You made the statement that they are "only words" which is probably the most disingenuous comment I have read so far.