[Niall]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, of course not. They are not a man and woman and add to that carrying on a sexual perversion.

What a backwards point of view.

So your saying that if I had a partner and we were both financially able, responsible, good people that we wouldn't be aloud to have adopt a child because its 'sexually perverse'?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, of course not. They are not a man and woman and add to that carrying on a sexual perversion.

[Stu]

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Blitzen

What a backwards point of view.

No, it is a progressive point of view.

So your saying that if I had a partner and we were both financially able, responsible, good people that we wouldn't be aloud to have adopt a child because its 'sexually perverse'?

Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

ummm, you do realize that the Great White North = CANADA right?

FAIL.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, it is a progressive point of view.



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

I'm sorry but you cannot in any way shape or form label this point of view as progressive. Its wrong.

First of all, you are making a sweeping generalisation that most of us gays want kids for sexual things. You could not be more wrong. I certainly one day would like to have a family and kids. Why should I be prevented from that if I have been a good citizen because some other people like you have warped ideas about us? Thats absurd.

Secondly, gay couples are proven to be, (on the whole) more financially stable than straight couples which means that a gay couple could be able to provide a better quality of life for an adopted child. Surely if a couple could provide a better life for a child that it would make sense for the child to go with them gay or not.

Thirdly I have not ever heard of homosexual couples with fetishes about raising children to be their 'sex slaves'. I certainly would never dream of doing that and I'm sure most other gay guys/girls on here would agree with me. I don't know how you can base your argument on such a crazy rumour like that.

Lastly, it has been proven on several TV shows and studies that show children who grow up in the care of a gay couple grow into happy, well adjusted kids. You can't just write off a set of parents just because they're gay. Thats wrong and prejudiced.

Parenting is about how the parent acts not about who they are. If you are a good parent then the kid will be fine. Just because I'm gay doesn't entail that I will raise the child badly just like being straight doesn't entail the child will be raised well either.

[lostalex]

The vast majority of pedophilia occurs in heterosexual households, with FATHERS, UNCLES and GRANDFATHERS molesting their own DAUGHTERS, NIECES, and GRANDAUGHTERS. That's a fact.

Infact heterosexual men, put even catholic priests to shame.

But of course we only ever hear about catholic priests, never about the normal hetero male molesting his own daughter.

The press does young girls a huge disservice, they make a HUGE deal every time a BOY is molested by a priest, but when a little GIRL is being terrorized by her own family, no one pays attention.

It's very *******ed up. twisted world.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, it is a progressive point of view.



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

You are kidding right?

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

this thread

[Benjamin]

I know this article is from January but I've only just read it:

Barnardo's urge gay and single adoption in Wales
More gay and single people of both sexes in Wales are being urged by a charity to adopt children.

Barnardo's Cymru has revealed that of 230 children adopted in Wales in 2009-2010, only 15 went to single people and five to same sex couples.

Its director Yvonne Rodgers said society must challenge the idea that gay parents are "second best".

But a survey suggests one in three people in Wales believe gay couples make worse parents than heterosexuals.

The same poll showed almost one in four people do not think a single man is as "capable" of being an adoptive parent as a single woman.

Around 5,162 children are currently within the care system in Wales.

Data from the Department for Children Schools and Families (DCSF) shows that only 25% of children with hopes of being adopted ever find a family.

But Barnado's says there is "no room for discrimination by society" when it comes to potential adopters and the needs of children.


"We cannot afford to discourage potential adopters as it is severely diminishing the chances of securing loving, stable homes for the children who are waiting”
Yvonne Rodgers

Ms Rogers said: "Society's attitudes play a pivotal role in discouraging some people from considering adoption.

"The idea that gay parents are second best must be challenged, as is the notion that it is only couples who can adopt or foster a child.

"We cannot afford to discourage potential adopters as it is severely diminishing the chances of securing loving, stable homes for the children who are waiting."

She called for an urgent debate on the issue to "dispel" myths surrounding how sexuality, race, marital status and gender affect parenting skills.

The charity launches its annual fostering and adoption week on Monday and is urging all people regardless of their cultural background, marital status, sexuality, or whether they are single or in a relationship to consider adoption or fostering.


They said a lot of people were unaware that the laws surrounding gay adoption had changed.

"There is nothing we can't offer a child that a heterosexual couple can. Love is love at the end of the day.

"We live next door to a couple who didn't see how two men adopting would work for a child but once we spoke to them and told them how we felt and what we could offer the children it really changed their view and now they are excited for us."

Information supplied by Barnardo's
Gay adoption is opposed by some members of the Catholic community, who believe it runs contrary to the Church's teachings on marriage and family life.

When the Equality Act became law in April 2007 in England, Wales and Scotland, it banned discrimination against homosexual people in the provision of goods and services, which incorporated adoption agencies.

The Church lost a battle against the introduction of the Sexual Orientations Regulations, under the Equality Act, which forced all agencies to consider gay couples as potential adoptive parents.

Catholic adoption agencies were given a 21-month transition period to comply with the new rules, which ended in December 2008.

Some changed their policies while others opted to close.

William Johnson of Catholic Voices, a group which represents the views of the Catholic church, said: "While respecting the rights of gay people, the Catholic church is concerned about the ultimate good of the child.

"The view of the church would be that the best environment for the child to be brought up would be with a mother and father.

"This is obviously a big issue and a number of Catholic adoption agencies have had to close because of new legislation."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12316712

[Ninastar]

It doesn't bother me, I'm all for it. At the end of the day if they are parents who are going to raise their kids to the best of their ability then I have no problem with it.

[CharlieO]

the thing is, the only reason people would get bullied for it is that it is not the norm and people have prejudice against it. its the same what happened for black people, people need to fight for it and the rest of us just need to accept it because if gay couples dont adopt because of the fear of that child being bullied then it will never change. people need to stand up and not stop fighting because everyone deserves to be treated equally.

the more it happens the less people will care so, the more people who grow up with gay parents the less likely people will get bullied because of it.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No, it is a progressive point of view.



Yes, of course that is what I am saying. Historically, this is the understanding of most human beings, cultures and civilizations around the planet. In many countries today you would not only be prevented from adopting children but have your children taken away from you and then you and your sex partner put in jails or mental institutions.

Now I don't agree with all that but I do agree my homosexual friends who say it is clearly a perverted 'sex fetish' and a nasty sort of underground kink and certainly not a 'parallel' to normal married people.

Other problems are the obvious lack of a mother and father. We have enough single parents proving that this is the less ideal way to raise a child. These women or single parent men (without homosexuality) often have brothers and friends and room mates.
It doesn't become better because the single parent is having gay sex with their friends.
Its still a child being raised without either a mother or a father.

Other concerns are that a number of homosexual males would like to adopt young men and then raise them as tailor-made sex partners and have what I saw described as 'twink sex servants'. Custom raised to serve the specific sex fetishes of the 'parents'.

All of these views are very common and typical in UK and Western Culture. Don't pretend like you are 'surprised' or act like this is somehow 'backward'. This is a very common opinion.
Worldwide its easily a majority opinion and yours the aberrant 80s 'gay agenda' propaganda opinion is the 'weird idea' in that context.

This has to be the most ignorant post I have ever read. What on earth makes you think that a gay man is also a paedophile, and worse, that he wants kids just to have future sex partners?

I really hope that this post is just a wind up, because I cannot believe anyone would hold such bigoted and unsubstantiated views in this day and age.

[Shaun]

Just one of many such posts unfortunately, angus he's a bit wacky that one.

[MTVN]

Yeah, thankfully havent seen El Proximo around in a while.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah, thankfully havent seen El Proximo around in a while.

It's been a while now.

[Novo]

El Proximo

[Niall]

El Proximo is wrong in the head.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niall

El Proximo is wrong in the head.

That's putting it mildly!

[Liberty4eva]

Personally, if I was a kid I would not want gay parents. I'm also a naturalist, I suppose, and if it couldn't happen in nature then I'm inclined to not be in favor of it.

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

[cub]

It's rather homophobic to have the opinion that gays should not be able to adopt of course.

We either have equal rights or we don't. By denying gays adoption rights we cannot have equal rights with straight people.

It's all quite simple.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

wat?!!

dear me

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Personally, if I was a kid I would not want gay parents. I'm also a naturalist, I suppose, and if it couldn't happen in nature then I'm inclined to not be in favor of it.

It's complicated but ya know if we made it illegal for gay couples to adopt it wouldn't stop them from having children. If they really really really want a child, what's stopping them from sucking it up and having a child with a member of the opposite sex?

You are kidding right? If gay guys had sex with members of the opposite sex, then this debate wouldn't exist.

[cub]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

You are kidding right? If gay guys had sex with members of the opposite sex, then this debate wouldn't exist.

Who is the gay male celbrity that's just done that? Is it Clay Aiken?