[Grimnir]

removing all entertainment and making prisons very basic is not just to make them more punishing and hellish but also to save lots of money that is wasted on them
many criminals will be less inclined to commit crimes if they know they will get sent to a tough prison for a very long sentence so prisons will eventually have fewer inmates and society will be improved
money should not be an issue when it comes to keeping law abiding citizens safe from criminal scum
i hate how loony left always stick up for the criminal and dont give a sh** about the victims of crime

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

removing all entertainment and making prisons very basic is not just to make them more punishing and hellish but also to save lots of money that is wasted on them
many criminals will be less inclined to commit crimes if they know they will get sent to a tough prison for a very long sentence so prisons will eventually have fewer inmates and society will be improved
money should not be an issue when it comes to keeping law abiding citizens safe from criminal scum
i hate how loony left always stick up for the criminal and dont give a sh** about the victims of crime

A reasonable argument I suppose, unfortunately its not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.

If you educated yourself on the subject, lets say for example going onto the Ministry of Justices website and looking at re offending rates, you would know that prisoners who serve in the more harsher regimes within the prison system have higher re-offending rates.

The lowest re-offending rates within the whole justice system occur when the criminal is involved with some form of community work and rehabilitating education. Either in or out of prison.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A reasonable argument I suppose, unfortunately its not backed up by any evidence whatsoever.

If you educated yourself on the subject, lets say for example going onto the Ministry of Justices website and looking at re offending rates, you would know that prisoners who serve in the more harsher regimes within the prison system have higher re-offending rates.

The lowest re-offending rates within the whole justice system occur when the criminal is involved with some form of community work and rehabilitating education. Either in or out of prison.

who do you think you are telling people to educate themselves as if you are some all knowing wise monk, stop being condescending

your logic is all screwed up on reasons for re offending rates

the reason the more hardline prisoners have a higher re offending rate is not because they served sentence in the "harsher regime" it is because they are more hardline criminals! that is why they are there in the first place

the ones with low re offending rates taking part in community service are the lower level criminals so naturally there is a much greater chance they will not repeat offend once they are released

to lower the re offending rate, hardline criminals should be given much longer sentences and prison be made more punishing (no violence and torture as you exaggerated)
if they are in prison for longer, which they should be anyway, they cannot commit crimes can they
if the prison is a hellhole then they are much less likely to re offend as they will not want to go back ever
and the threat of going to a hellhole prison will lower crime rates

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

who do you think you are telling people to educate themselves as if you are some all knowing wise monk, stop being condescending

your logic is all screwed up on reasons for re offending rates

the reason the more hardline prisoners have a higher re offending rate is not because they served sentence in the "harsher regime" it is because they are more hardline criminals! that is why they are there in the first place

the ones with low re offending rates taking part in community service are the lower level criminals so naturally there is a much greater chance they will not repeat offend once they are released

to lower the re offending rate, hardline criminals should be given much longer sentences and prison be made more punishing (no violence and torture as you exaggerated)
if they are in prison for longer, which they should be anyway, they cannot commit crimes can they
if the prison is a hellhole then they are much less likely to re offend as they will not want to go back ever
and the threat of going to a hellhole prison will lower crime rates

There really is no limit to the depths of your ignorance is there? I take it from your answer you didnt go to the Ministry of Justice's site?

All prisons have different regimes, practically no two prisons are run the same, nor do they have the same facilities. Classes, rehabilitation & work courses and facilities all vary.

I mentioned community work not community service I also used the term rehabilitation education, you know seeing crime from the victims point of view, anger management etc.

The categories of prisons have more to do with security measures imposed not about the regime inside a prison.

Hardline prisoners who were guilty of serious crimes like murder etc are often released under a condition called life license. If they offend again they go back in.

What violence and torture did I exaggerate?

Prisoners can and do commit crimes in prison.

Incidentally its not my logic on re offending rates its the Ministry of Justice's own figures not mine. I didnt post them on their site.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by Shasown

There really is no limit to the depths of your ignorance is there? I take it from your answer you didnt go to the Ministry of Justice's site?

All prisons have different regimes, practically no two prisons are run the same, nor do they have the same facilities. Classes, rehabilitation & work courses and facilities all vary.

I mentioned community work not community service I also used the term rehabilitation education, you know seeing crime from the victims point of view, anger management etc.

The categories of prisons have more to do with security measures imposed not about the regime inside a prison.

Hardline prisoners who were guilty of serious crimes like murder etc are often released under a condition called life license. If they offend again they go back in.

What violence and torture did I exaggerate?

Prisoners can and do commit crimes in prison.

Incidentally its not my logic on re offending rates its the Ministry of Justice's own figures not mine. I didnt post them on their site.

i dont need to go to the website as you have already stated what the figures say. I am not arguing if the figures are true or not

you said that on the website figures show that criminals who spend their time under harsh regime have a higher re offending rate correct?

I am saying the reason the re offending rate is higher is because they are hardline criminals, not because they were prisoners under a harsh regime of the prison.

why do you keep being an arrogant prick and be insulting looking down your nose as you argue with somone calling them ignorant and such
you sound like a right snob

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

i dont need to go to the website as you have already stated what the figures say. I am not arguing if the figures are true or not

you said that on the website figures show that criminals who spend their time under harsh regime have a higher re offending rate correct?

I am saying the reason the re offending rate is higher is because they are hardline criminals, not because they were prisoners under a harsh regime of the prison.

Then you were wrong.

It doesnt say they are hardline criminals it states what sort of regime has what sort of results. Harsher regimes have higher reoffending rates.

As I said maybe you should educate yourself on the situation first before making incorrect statements. Saves looking stupid.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Then you were wrong.

It doesnt say they are hardline criminals it states what sort of regime has what sort of results. Harsher regimes have higher reoffending rates.

As I said maybe you should educate yourself on the situation first before making incorrect statements. Saves looking stupid.

you are just acting like a baby troll now

The prisoners in a tough prison have higher reoffending rates.
We got prisoners, tough prison and higher reoffending rates, right understand?
Lets break it down simply like alphabet for you in case you a bit slow
You are saying B causes C
I am saying A causes C
They dont reoffend because they have been in a tough prison, you seriously think that?
They reoffend because they are criminals scum and have no respect for other people
do you need a diagram and legend to know what A B and C stand for?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

money should not be an issue when it comes to keeping law abiding citizens safe from criminal scum

Money is an issue though. Again ... where do you plan on sourcing the funds to apply forced rehab to every single person caught with any amount of recreational drugs? It's impossible. And most of them are not some dangerous threat to society that citizens need to be 'safe' from.