[CharlieO]

I dont see why you have to know someone personally to hate them, you can hate them for their actions.

'you' as a collective doesn't have to know someone to hate them just my idea of the word hate is on a different scale than some others.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I dont see why you have to know someone personally to hate them, you can hate them for their actions.

I don't think you can truly hate anyone if you have never met them personally and had enough time to form opinions.

[Shaun]

poppycock. I loathe Will.I.am. I have not met him. Next.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Josy

I don't think you can truly hate anyone if you have never met them personally and had enough time to form opinions.

In cases like Sepp Blatter that's fair enough, I voted for him but I dont really hate him, I just dont like what he's done to football. But with people like Mugabe and Gadaffi I think it's reasonable to hate them, they're responsible for hundreds/thousands of deaths and are dictators, I'm pretty sure we wouldnt get along well

[Maia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

In cases like Sepp Blatter that's fair enough, I voted for him but I dont really hate him, I just dont like what he's done to football. But with people like Mugabe and Gadaffi I think it's reasonable to hate them, they're responsible for hundreds/thousands of deaths and are dictators, I'm pretty sure we wouldnt get along well

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Mollie.

[Stu]

I really hate these petty arguments that wish to rob us of our ability to hate. Hate is natural. Every bit as natural as love. It's so natural that the people giving these 'you can't hate someone you have never met' arguments always do hate people they have never met. Constantly. Everyone does.

I'm pretty sure I hate Hitler and I'm not waiting for him to come back from the dead so I can quiz him on his fucking table ethics in the hope that it might prove to challenge my views.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Stu

I really hate these petty arguments that wish to rob us of our ability to hate. Hate is natural. Every bit as natural as love. It's so natural that the people giving these 'you can't hate someone you have never met' arguments always do hate people they have never met. Constantly. Everyone does.

I'm pretty sure I hate Hitler and I'm not waiting for him to come back from the dead so I can quiz him on his fucking table ethics in the hope that it might prove to challenge my views.

I don't see any petty arguments, I see people having their own opinions just like you did.

[Stu]

Bit early in the evening for spot the contradiction, isin't it?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by 'Conor

hitler.

I agree 'Conor,unfortunately Hitler wasn't on the list but he is definately one man I would say I would have hated. A truly despicable individual not fit to be even called Human.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

I really hate these petty arguments that wish to rob us of our ability to hate. Hate is natural. Every bit as natural as love. It's so natural that the people giving these 'you can't hate someone you have never met' arguments always do hate people they have never met. Constantly. Everyone does.

I'm pretty sure I hate Hitler and I'm not waiting for him to come back from the dead so I can quiz him on his fucking table ethics in the hope that it might prove to challenge my views.

how do you know love is natural? nothing is ever for sure. who says that love is the same for everyone? love is an idea we grow up with and our mind chooses to interpret it in its own way because no one can point and say thats love like they can with any inanimate object.

[Shaun]

Noone said petty, Josy.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Noone said petty, Josy.

Pretty sure Stu did, Shaun.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

how do you know love is natural? nothing is ever for sure. who says that love is the same for everyone? love is an idea we grow up with and our mind chooses to interpret it in its own way because no one can point and say thats love like they can with any inanimate object.

How do I know love is natural? Because it the natural emotionalization of the natural need to protect and reproduce that we as a species naturally do.

'Nothing is ever for sure' reeks of Baudelairean pseudo philosophy. Rhetorical, impractical and fucking useless. Some things we can say with certainty. Love is natural. Not everyone loves but most do and they don't need to be conditioned to do it. It's been passed down through our natural genetics for millions of those natural earth years.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Josy

Pretty sure Stu did, Shaun.

I did, because it's my opinion. Replying to it by helpfully pointing out that everyone is entitled to their opinion and then not bothering to defend yours isin't exactly constructive.

I don't mean to sound nasty it just annoys me whenever I make points that people completely ignore because gosh darn it it's just easier to just talk about how my points don't actually matter because everyone is entitled to their opinionz.

I'll throw in a smiley at this point to make the post seem less imposing :

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

How do I know love is natural? Because it the natural emotionalization of the natural need to protect and reproduce that we as a species naturally do.

'Nothing is ever for sure' reeks of Baudelairean pseudo philosophy. Rhetorical, impractical and fucking useless. Some things we can say with certainty. Love is natural. Not everyone loves but most do and they don't need to be conditioned to do it. It's been passed down through our natural genetics for millions of those natural earth years.

Personally don't agree anything is provable. However i'm not in the mood for a debate tonight so ill agree to disagree with you.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

Personally don't agree anything is provable. However i'm not in the mood for a debate tonight so ill agree to disagree with you.

I know your not debating but I do feel the need to express how absoloutely ludicrous I find that view. It's a great thing to rattle off to sound like a deep and mystical teen or something when your discussing Inception with your mates but in reality it holds no water. We must adhere to reality as we percieve no matter how accurate that perception may be it in order for things like uh ... civilization ... to occur.

We love. The ability to do so has been formed and naturally passed down over the course of evolution. Thus love is natural to us. You can say ~evolution is a dream in god's mind and we aren't really here or some crazy shit like that but then you can use those kind of arguments for anything. It's just such a cop out.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by karezza

Why do you hate Hitler? Is it because he was a vegetarian?

His moustache was very offensive.

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

I know your not debating but I do feel the need to express how absoloutely ludicrous I find that view. It's a great thing to rattle off to sound like a deep and mystical teen or something when your discussing Inception with your mates but in reality it holds no water. We must adhere to reality as we percieve no matter how accurate that perception may be it in order for things like uh ... civilization ... to occur.

We love. The ability to do so has been formed and naturally passed down over the course of evolution. Thus love is natural to us. You can say ~evolution is a dream in god's mind and we aren't really here or some crazy shit like that but then you can use those kind of arguments for anything. It's just such a cop out.

i just mean there is no way to prove anything as it has to be seen/heard/felt ect by a certain person. and as humans we learn by demonstration eg your told something is blue therefore its blue and everything that looks the same to you is blue. so how will anyone ever know that anyone sees or feels anything the same. we dont we just associate feeling a certain way with words because someone has told us.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CharlieOsborne

how will anyone ever know that anyone sees or feels anything the same

Because we have the ability to communicate with each other.

We are not instructed to love. It's in our DNA, built into out natural system. We don't need to go to love school to learn all about love. Just like how I have not been brainwashed into thinking I'm sitting in my room typing on a laptop. I know it because I am.

These arguments I just find silly. They sound deep and edgy until you realize that they are nothing more than fluffy metaphysical jargon with no real meaning or merit.

If love isin't natural then what is it? Provide an alternate. If nothing is certain then why bother with anything? Why not just go out on the road and wait for an oncoming bus?

Hey, the bus might not even be real mannnn.

[Shaun]

-has forgotten how to read-

[CharlieO]

Originally Posted by Stu

Because we have the ability to communicate with each other.

We are not instructed to love. It's in our DNA, built into out natural system. We don't need to go to love school to learn all about love. Just like how I have not been brainwashed into thinking I'm sitting in my room typing on a laptop. I know it because I am.

These arguments I just find silly. They sound deep and edgy until you realize that they are nothing more than fluffy metaphysical jargon with no real meaning or merit.

If love isin't natural then what is it? Provide an alternate. If nothing is certain then why bother with anything? Why not just go out on the road and wait for an oncoming bus?

Hey, the bus might not even be real mannnn.

Fair enough, your opinion is as valid as mine.
However i was just trying to provide an alternative theory, and i clearly dont live my life by it or i wouldnt be making an effort.

[midlandman]

this poll is sexist

[karezza]

Originally Posted by midlandman

this poll is sexist

Calm down dear!

[karezza]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

His moustache was very offensive.

He was very fond of dogs.