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29-05-2011, 06:36 AM | #26 | |||
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and, I don't know I have ever seen a disgusting drug hole full of death and suffering and dirty humiliation as one can see (from an office window) in downtown Vancouver. Where weed is virtually legalized and easy to access cheaply. But hey.. the Dutch need to do something. That place is swarming with dirty freeloading hippies doing nothing but be bums and piss on the world in their passive-aggressive ways. Swarming! |
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29-05-2011, 12:16 PM | #27 | |||
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-Mortality from drug related deaths in Europe [The Netherlands is amongst the lowest]. http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/stats07/drdtab05a -Heroin assisted treatment results [Addicts are weaned off the streets and the number of those dependent on Heroin has dropped 30% since 1983]. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2219559/ Not that I'm doubting you're fond ability for arguing with logic and statistics but these numbers don't lie. The Netherlands have less heroin addicts and less overdoses than the USA, and probably the likes of Canada and Ireland. Not only has their Cannabis policy been highly effective in pacifying their youth with amongst the lowest useage rates in Europe but the safe access to Heroin has been lauded by other member states and copied. And lord knows how much good that taxed dope has done for the country. If you look anywhere you will find Heroin addicts injecting themselves in poverty. We have an area for that here in Cork just like you do in Vancouver. Just like they do in Amsterdam in certain concentrated areas. I'm well aware of the problems specifically in Downtown Eastside in Vancouver and to blame that on a liberal dope policy is absurd and without merit. Those people didn't decide to become hooked on Crack because you can get pot easily. Have you ever actually been to Amsterdam? It's beautiful. Certain parks are dodgy which you can avoid. The Red Light district is a hotbed of all the things that probably make your winkie shrivel up in regret. But by and large it's a fantastic city and if you think it's a picture of depravity you must not have made it far beyond central station. If you want to see one of the most potent arguments in favour of the relaxing of archaic drug laws then Google yourself 'drug decriminalization in Portugal' though. Spend a few hours having fun and getting educated. Dirty freeloading hippies. Last edited by Stu; 29-05-2011 at 12:18 PM. |
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29-05-2011, 12:18 PM | #28 | |||
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They'd take a huge hit in their Tourism industry if they ban it
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29-05-2011, 09:12 PM | #29 | |||||||||
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I have a big problem with someone's daughter putting dirty cocks in her mouth so she can lay in a stupor in a piss-smelling alley. But she isn't DYING from overdoses and so we have a success? Some would argue the pain and horrors are extended. However, I have a problem with this 2005 survey right away. Netherlands 'among the lowest'. For death. People dying of overdoses. Which might tell me they are very good at containing hardcore junkies and swiftly getting them to Emergency. Which is what I did observe in Amsterdam. Authorities have very strict and well-organized expertise in containing junkies. Goofy tourists who giggle about how a policeman SAW THEM smoking weed and let them go? What the goofy tourist doesn't know is that the police are deliberately patrolling a perimeter meant to keep you (the goofy weed tourist) FROM entering a danger zone. Behind that zone is where junkies are doing **** you don't need to know about. Also they would rob you blind. Each morning a crew in 'hazmat' suits and long sticks arrives in the parks and pokes the bushes. The dead junkies are obviously dead but any still alive are rushed to hospital. So yes I do believe that stats reflect what I know about the place. They keep more junkies alive than most anywhere else. It also tells me there is a massive police presence (which costs tax-payers) and my experience is just that. But here is the other problem - a helluva lot of hard working Dutch people have to work harder, more days, more hours at their difficult jobs to keep maintaining that excellent ability to keep junkies from dying. So they can be junkies for another year (or until the next time they overdose) Quote:
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Safe access to heroin is NOT 'lauded' by other EU nations and there has been NON-STOP **** over this situation for many many decades. It's been a major piss-off problem in the EU for a long time and causes all kinds of problems at the borders (drug smuggling etc) and no, weed does NOT produce tax-revenue good. It costs the Dutch plenty to administer and then the massive police presence in the weed shop areas. For some reason pro-drug people think weed is a great way to give the government lots of money. it doesn't. Quote:
They all started doing weed. They loved getting high. then started doing more intense drugs. Quote:
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IF they can find some statistics to play with in Portugal they demand this become 'THE FACT' (as they interpret it), yet, will never so much as mention opium was, for all intents and purposes, made 'legal' in China and there was nothing short of a national tragedy devastating that country as millions became dying zombies. Then, When ALL drugs were banned and opium fiends executed the problem ends. That's why you can get shot for selling marijuana in China and why I don't have to put up with pot-heads, crackheads or any junkies anywhere in China. They don't mention weed is zero-tolerance illegal in Japan and they have very few junkies. They ignore a dozen examples where 'therapy' methods did nothing and crime, blackmarket, overdoses just carry on or increase. |
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29-05-2011, 09:22 PM | #30 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Am I the only one who finds ElProximo's posting style incredibly annoying?
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29-05-2011, 09:23 PM | #31 | |||
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R.I.P Kerry x
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All that text makes me dizzy
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29-05-2011, 09:45 PM | #32 | |||
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Spoiler: And that's me finished with you. You will no doubt find a way to continually subvert and distort whatever facts and figures I present to you which makes arguing with you a fucking fruitless endeavour. As we all well know you are completely incompatible with reality, completely incompatible with logic, and quite possibly just a small bit mad. Any attempt I make at providing a coherent argument would no doubt be knocked down by a tower of text designed to exhibit a powerful display of knowledge but that in reality just boils down to the same anger, resentment and cliched points made again and again and again and again and again. I'm not going to continue debate about drugs of all things with someone who believes Satan is real, is here and is torturing God's children. Fuck that for a game of toy soldiers. Hugs and kisses. Last edited by Stu; 29-05-2011 at 09:52 PM. |
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29-05-2011, 10:23 PM | #33 | |||
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His blood is bad.
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30-05-2011, 05:00 AM | #34 | |||
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Meanwhile, I live in the real world and dealt with drugs my entire life and have the misfortune of being stuck in that **** city full of drug addicts and wasteful hippies and muslims doing nothing but turn the original culture (nearly gone now) into a piss tank. I can tell you this - getting rid of those old laws and progressing this way MIGHT actually make me consider visiting that ****hole again one day. At least they are on the right track. Forward. |
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