[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Really they're 360 ports, many Multi-platform games use the 360 as the master console.

Give it a chance to breath, the Ps3 had nothing but ports and the like at first and very few true exclusives. Look at it now. We'll hear more about exclusives throughout the next year I'd expect.

OH! thinking about it that Tekken game they showed isn't Tekken 6 and I think if it was Tekken Tag Tournament 2 then they'd have explicitly said so. For now we can assume it's an exclusive new Tekken game. They didn't show a huge number of games because I'm betting there's not many that's presentable just yet that's why the focus was on Multi-Platform games since they'll have been in development for longer due to them starting work originally on the other consoles.

I fully get why people would be into it, fair dues, but it's not my thing and you're kidding yourself if you think it's going to convince regular gamers to switch sides. The tech has just barely caught up with what the 360 and PS3 were already able to do a few years ago - nevermind what they could go on to do. And that's not even considering Sony and Microsoft's next consoles.

The Wii U will fall behind again and become the place to be for Nintendo franchises and casual games. No serious gamer who isin't into either of those two things is going to play a scaled back version of Battlefield 5 on a rubbish massive pad.

Major third party developers know where their bread is buttered. I'm sure Ninty will still make a riddiculous amount of money charting the same course they started with the Wii.

[Ramsay]

so the new wii is called wii u?
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[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Stu

I fully get why people would be into it, fair dues, but it's not my thing and you're kidding yourself if you think it's going to convince regular gamers to switch sides. The tech has just barely caught up with what the 360 and PS3 were already able to do a few years ago - nevermind what they could go on to do. And that's not even considering Sony and Microsoft's next consoles.

The Wii U will fall behind again and become the place to be for Nintendo franchises and casual games. No serious gamer who isin't into either of those two things is going to play a scaled back version of Battlefield 5 on a rubbish massive pad.

Major third party developers know where their bread is buttered. I'm sure Ninty will still make a riddiculous amount of money charting the same course they started with the Wii.

Not all gamers are that close minded though, nobody plays a Nintendo console and expects the same experience as a Ps3 or a 360 and that's the point. Nintendo consoles are something a bit different, if you wanted the same experience from every console then there'd be no point in trying to do anything new. The Wii U will have it's killer apps and that'll bring in the gamers.

As long as Nintendo manage to promote the hardcore games then the key developers will keep coming back to the Wii U. Judging from that presentation Nintendo have learned how important the core gamer base is as there was very little in the way of casual games. I've been saying it for months that Nintendo will carry on the 3DS lead and return to a core gamer focus and from what we gather from that they have.

These companies develop marketing strategies forged with past experiences, look at the original Xbox. it was meant to dominate the last generation but it didn't and that was due to a limited range of games due to the fact that a lot of eastern companies didn't want to produce anything on it and so instead it was flooded with stacks of western FPS's. Look at the 360, the first thing they did with it was to get worldwide support from developers and it's one of the big reasons why it's the leading console now. Whoever holds the developers will inevitably end up winning, If Nintendo can learn from their mistakes and become more accommodating to other developers then they were with the Wii then those developers will end up drawing gamers to the console with their games. There's every chance of Nintendo coming out on top in the end.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not all gamers are that close minded though, nobody plays a Nintendo console and expects the same experience as a Ps3 or a 360 and that's the point. Nintendo consoles are something a bit different.

That's essentially what I've been saying, yeah. Of course they appeal to a different crowd.

The 360 isin't leading this generation, the Wii is. The Wii U will probably lead next generation too because the market for potential casual gamers is always going to be bigger than the market for core gamers based on sheer logic. You are incredibly optimistic about this supposed return to the hardcore focus. The conference was all lip service in my estimation.

The beds have been made. The core gamers will continue to buy Sony and Microsoft's technologically superior products because at the end of the day developers will want to push their biggest and best core franchises on the biggest and best hardware.

That's how I see it and I'd be delighted if Nintendo could prove me wrong but I do not see it happening. Just like with the Wii the core developers will jump off the bandwagon sooner or later. They gave Call Of Duty a run on the Wii and I could have pissed in a vial and sold more copies.