[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Actually many obese people do have body dysmorphia. A lot of fat people are in denial about how fat they are, because it usually happens slowly, gaining weight i mean, so they still see themselves as thin, even though they are over weight. Plus there are so many media sources saying "women are supposed to be curvy" justifying being over weight.

I'm not buying this....... an obese person can still see themselves as thin?

Many obese people are in complete denial about the amount of food that they eat, but they still are more than aware that they are obsese - they will argue blind about how little they eat, and the type of foods that they eat. Many more than admit to it being 'a comfort, makes them feel good/better' - they are aware they are obsese.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm not I'm buying this....... an obese person can still see themselves as thin?

Many obese people are in complete denial about the amount of food that they eat, but they still are more than aware that they are obsese - they will argue blind about how little they eat, and the type of foods that they eat. Many more than admit to it being 'a comfort, makes them feel good/better' - they are aware they are obsese.

have you ever been obese?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

have you ever been obese?

I don't have to be obese to have a viewpoint.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I don't have to be obese to have a viewpoint that simply doesn't match yours.

I didn't ask you to agree. But the way you spoke, you sounded very authoritative about the issue, so i was wondering if you had personal experience. just wondering.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I didn't ask you to agree. But the way you spoke, you sounded very authoritative about the issue, so i was wondering if you had personal experience. just wondering.

Fair comment - I'll take the few words back.

One doesn't have to have had a personal experience. That's akin to saying a doctor for example, could not possibly have any indepth knowledge or understanding in how anorexics suffer/view themselves/use their illness as a form of control, if said doctor hadn't had their own personal experience.

As for me sounding very authoritative - I'm straght to the point most times, to the point of being blunt. I also have happen to find these things interesting - what makes the mind and the human psyche tick etc.

(Contrary to popular belief by some (not you), I honestly don't spend all my time faffing about on Tibbs - I sort of view this as the 'dead zone' - rest time for my own brain!!).

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm not buying this....... an obese person can still see themselves as thin?

Many obese people are in complete denial about the amount of food that they eat, but they still are more than aware that they are obsese - they will argue blind about how little they eat, and the type of foods that they eat. Many more than admit to it being 'a comfort, makes them feel good/better' - they are aware they are obsese.

Very informed and totally correct statement, Obese epeople do know they are overweight,its as you say they won't admit the reasons they are,as in how much they eat as you point out for one example.
Well said.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Very informed and totally correct statement, Obese epeople do know they are overweight,its as you say they won't admit the reasons they are,as in how much they eat as you point out for one example.
Well said.

Thanks Joey. I recall years ago, watching a documentary - iirc, it was a teenager or a young adult. They/their mother replaced regular crisps with 'low fat' crisps -(they continued to munch their way through a dozen packs a day or so, but it was okay, coz they were eating 'low fat' varieties). Instead of thick chocolate biscuits, they stocked up on 'non choc' biscuits, instead of enough fried breakfast to feed 6 people, they moved to grilling - and reduced (for example) the 6 bacon rashers, tin of beans, 4 eggs, 5 sausages, 4 slices of toast - to about 3 bacon, 1/2 tin of bean, 2 eggs, 3 saus, 2 slices of toast - then had two bowls of cereal afterwards...... and let the kid eat their way through kilos of fruit via constant snacking all day.

The dieticians, nutrtionists, doctors could not get it through to either the child or the mother, that regardless - the amount of food being consumed was still far too much - as well as still being much of the wrong type.

Incredible, ignorant and in complete denial in every sense.

Their argument? He eats healthy food and lots of it

[tmi]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Thanks Joey. I recall years ago, watching a documentary - iirc, it was a teenager or a young adult. They/their mother replaced regular crisps with 'low fat' crisps -(they continued to munch their way through a dozen packs a day or so, but it was okay, coz they were eating 'low fat' varieties). Instead of thick chocolate biscuits, they stocked up on 'non choc' biscuits, instead of enough fried breakfast to feed 6 people, they moved to grilling - and reduced (for example) the 6 bacon rashers, tin of beans, 4 eggs, 5 sausages, 4 slices of toast - to about 3 bacon, 1/2 tin of bean, 2 eggs, 3 saus, 2 slices of toast - then had two bowls of cereal afterwards...... and let the kid eat their way through kilos of fruit via constant snacking all day.

The dieticians, nutrtionists, doctors could not get it through to either the child or the mother, that regardless - the amount of food being consumed was still far too much - as well as still being much of the wrong type.

Low fat is not always a good alternative has they have a high sugar level in
Incredible, ignorant and in complete denial in every sense.

Their argument? He eats healthy food and lots of it

Low fat is not always a good alternative has they have a high sugar level in time that could have more damaging effect also numeorus fruits too have high sugars although natural sugar, its still sugar, its all about moderation.
People who neglect they children by not feeding them is seen has bad parenting, but people who over feed they kids think they do no harm, in most cases the parents themsleves were taught bad habits, bit like history repeating themselves.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Thanks Joey. I recall years ago, watching a documentary - iirc, it was a teenager or a young adult. They/their mother replaced regular crisps with 'low fat' crisps -(they continued to munch their way through a dozen packs a day or so, but it was okay, coz they were eating 'low fat' varieties). Instead of thick chocolate biscuits, they stocked up on 'non choc' biscuits, instead of enough fried breakfast to feed 6 people, they moved to grilling - and reduced (for example) the 6 bacon rashers, tin of beans, 4 eggs, 5 sausages, 4 slices of toast - to about 3 bacon, 1/2 tin of bean, 2 eggs, 3 saus, 2 slices of toast - then had two bowls of cereal afterwards...... and let the kid eat their way through kilos of fruit via constant snacking all day.

The dieticians, nutrtionists, doctors could not get it through to either the child or the mother, that regardless - the amount of food being consumed was still far too much - as well as still being much of the wrong type.

Incredible, ignorant and in complete denial in every sense.

Their argument? He eats healthy food and lots of it

That sounds exactly like anorexia to me...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

That sounds exactly like anorexia to me...

Absolutely.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Absolutely.

you don't see how replacing the words too much, with too little would be exactly applicable to anorexics?

I don't you're interested in exploring the concept, i think you're just interested in condemning overweight people.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you don't see how replacing the words too much, with too little would be exactly applicable to anorexics?

Nope. Anorexic don't eat. Obese people eat to much. It's not exactly rocket science or difficult to understand. It is completely different ends of the spectrum.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm not buying this....... an obese person can still see themselves as thin?

No more odd than an anorexic viewing themselves as fat

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

No more odd than an anorexic viewing themselves as fat

I disagree. The physicalities alone, not being able to walk up stairs without getting breathless, having to go out and purchase bigger sized - oversize clothing showing sizes like 22/24/26, not being able to do basic every day tasks due to their weight restricting them, not being able to fit into airplane seats, having to be assisted in washing, getting dressed etc in the more extreme cases... I'd personally think there were far more signs that the person was obese than just looking in a mirror and seeing a distored visoin to realising that they are fat/obese.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I disagree. The physicalities alone, not being able to walk up stairs without getting breathless, having to go out and purchase bigger sized - oversize clothing showing sizes like 22/24/26, not being able to do basic every day tasks due to their weight restricting them, not being able to fit into airplane seats, having to be assisted in washing, getting dressed etc in the more extreme cases... I'd personally think there were far more signs that the person was obese than just looking in a mirror and seeing a distored visoin to realising that they are fat/obese.

Maybe thin is the wrong word. I would think most dont know quite how big they look.

I have never been obese, but a few years back I put on quite a lot of weight. And I didnt even know about it, I still looked the same to myself in the mirror, until I saw a photo. So I would think thats not too uncommon :/


Plus, with what you say about physical problems too...that could also apply to anorexics. Surely they notice that the feel faint all the time, have no energy, have to buy childrens clothes if they want them to fit properly etc

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Maybe thin is the wrong word. I would think most dont know quite how big they look.

I have never been obese, but a few years back I put on quite a lot of weight. And I didnt even know about it, I still looked the same to myself in the mirror, until I saw a photo. So I would think thats not too uncommon :/

Perhaps, but I really honestly can't take on board seriously that when a person puts on weight, has to go out and start buying bigger sizes - that they don't realise they are putting on weight or didn't even know it. they might not realise quite how big they are - but they certainly know they are getting bigger.

it's not until the lose the weight that they are able to see HOW fat / how overweight they had become: but as I say: they (not getting at you, I mean generally) - there is no gettng away from the fact that having to buy clothes in bigger sizes - tell the person that they are getting fatter.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never been obese, but a few years back I put on quite a lot of weight. And I didnt even know about it, I still looked the same to myself in the mirror, until I saw a photo. So I would think thats not too uncommon :/

I don't think a lot of fat people realise how big they are until they see a picture or video of themselves. Looking in the mirror day to day you don't register the very gradual growth in weight. But you only look at a picture every once in a while so the growth is far more apparent.

Im always grateful Im not prone to piling on weight because I have a very sweet tooth.