[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

Okay I take back what I said. That was dumb and insensitive of me. You lot have only just made me realise how stupid the things I've posted sound.

Like I said, sometimes I say things without thinking - I think things sound better in my head than they do irl. :/

awwww that's big of you to admit.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

awwww that's big of you to admit.

Thanks.

[arista]

The Dad using a bottle on the Man that asked them to stop the crying
is the problem here.
He is in prison - he should now understand the rules on Crying babas

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

The Dad using a bottle on the Man that asked them to stop the crying
is the problem here.
He is in prison - he should now understand the rules on Crying babas

yeah, I'm glad he got a good sentence for that, violent crimes like this should be punished severely

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by arista

The Dad using a bottle on the Man that asked them to stop the crying
is the problem here.
He is in prison - he should now understand the rules on Crying babas

Good! Serves the dirty little scrotum right!

[Shasown]

If people are going to insist on having babies for dinner in restaurants, the chef should always insist on the baby being at least medium preferably well done but never rare. This would eliminate the screaming of the barely seered baby.

[Ammi]

Although I'm not condoning the violence at all, the guy should have had a quiet word with the restaurant staff and let them deal with it, its not up to him to suggest how tired someone else's baby is.

[Lee.]

My pet hate has always been unruly children in restaurants, so since my kids have been old enough to understand, I have taken them to restaurants, explained that its a place for adults and dared them to move from the table. now I have no worries taking them out for a meal and they know if they are well behaved they'll get taken to the park or something afterwards.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't mind at all a baby crying, it is after all the only way a Baby can let you know something's wrong or the Baby needs something, maybe changing or feeding.

What does annoy me are parents that 'never' seem to check those things and let the Baby cry.
I'd rather many times be hearing a Baby cry than some daft Adults yapping, when I am anywhere.

Yea the poor babies have to put up with that all the time

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by happyland

My pet hate has always been unruly children in restaurants, so since my kids have been old enough to understand, I have taken them to restaurants, explained that its a place for adults and dared them to move from the table. now I have no worries taking them out for a meal and they know if they are well behaved they'll get taken to the park or something afterwards.

Good parenting Happyland, of course you can't apply such reasoning to babies

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by rhino

Good parenting Happyland, of course you can't apply such reasoning to babies

Yeah, but the parents can take them to another part of the restaurant, away from the other diners, to calm the baby down.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by rhino

Good parenting Happyland, of course you can't apply such reasoning to babies

I think I was very lucky with both my babies as they never cried much, but if they were to kick off in a restaueant, I'd always take them outside until they were settled again.. hurray for dummies though!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Yeah, but the parents can take them to another part of the restaurant, away from the other diners, to calm the baby down.

Yes they can and that's what most considerate parents would do, but I think it was the responsibilty of the restaurant staff to decide if diners where being disturbed and have a quiet word with the parents. I absolutely don't condone the violence but if they guy's first concern is that he looks like a thug because he's got a scar on his head and how that's going to look to his colleagues, well it makes me think that maybe he was quite condescending to the couple. As I say I never condone violence though.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by happyland

I think I was very lucky with both my babies as they beverages cried much, but if they were to kick off in a restaueant, I'd always take them outside until they were settled again.. hurray for dummies though!

I'm sure it was a lot to do with your parenting and not just luck, but unfortunately not every parent is as considerate as they should be but other people are also very quick to judge when they are irritated

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by happyland

My pet hate has always been unruly children in restaurants, so since my kids have been old enough to understand, I have taken them to restaurants, explained that its a place for adults and dared them to move from the table. now I have no worries taking them out for a meal and they know if they are well behaved they'll get taken to the park or something afterwards.

-scurd-

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by rhino

I'm sure it was a lot to do with your parenting and not just luck, but unfortunately not every parent is as considerate as they should be but other people are also very quick to judge when they are irritated

Yeah they are. I have to say that s ince having children I have a lot more patience and empathy for parents with screaming babies.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by happyland

Yeah they are. I have to say that s ince having children I have a lot more patience and empathy for parents with screaming babies.

yes me too and there are times when I've sat in a restaurant at lunchtimes or early evening with two well behaved children and had to listen to extremely foul language from other diners within earshot of my little angels(lol). People have to put up with stuff and sometimes be tolerant to other peoples right to be there too, that's life. That's why we are so behind other countries in our attitudes towards families in restaurants

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by rhino

yes me too and there are times when I've sat in a restaurant at lunchtimes or early evening with two well behaved children and had to listen to extremely foul language from other diners within earshot of my little angels(lol). People have to put up with stuff and sometimes be tolerant to other peoples right to be there too, that's life. That's why we are so behind other countries in our attitudes towards families in restaurants

Don't worry, I tell people off for foul language too.

[Lee.]

-Has a very funny image if Ben in my head as a sort of Basil Fawlty like character-

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Don't worry, I tell people off for foul language too.

That's good there are all sorts of bad behaviour in restaurants , far worse than a baby crying imo. The parents in this case did appear to be inconsiderate but that was that doesn't give a complete stranger the right to feel they can infer anything about their parenting skills. The staff, however are trained to be more diplomatic as I'm sure you are and you are a member of staff that's the diffence. Smashing the guy over the head though, is not being the best role model on how to deal with an irate diner

Originally Posted by happyland

-Has a very funny image if Ben in my head as a sort of Basil Fawlty like character-

More of a Manuel, maybe?

[Livia]

10pm in a restaurant is Grown Up Time. It's the same as, since the smoking ban in pubs, parents think it's okay to bring their kids into the pub during the evening, even sit them on the bar while they order drinks. I saw a bloke tick off another bloke for swearing in a pub because his kids were there. I know that most parents think their own kids are endlessly fascinating, but to most of us, they're not. And especially not at 10pm in a restaurant.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

10pm in a restaurant is Grown Up Time. It's the same as, since the smoking ban in pubs, parents think it's okay to bring their kids into the pub during the evening, even sit them on the bar while they order drinks. I saw a bloke tick off another bloke for swearing in a pub because his kids were there. I know that most parents think their own kids are endlessly fascinating, but to most of us, they're not. And especially not at 10pm in a restaurant.

I'm not sure what your laws are in Britain but here kids have to be out of pubs by 8pm (I think, could be 9pm)

[Vicky.]

I see no problem in having a baby out at 10pm (as long as its not regular like) but if its endlessly screaming, get outside/somewhere quiet or go home until you sort it out. Not everyone wants to hear that.

Niall...about the plane thing, its so annoying yes. But sometimes unavoidable. When we went to florida there was a very young baby on our plane screaming the whole way. The mother or father did nothing to attempt to pacify the child. And only fed it once suring the 8/9 hour flight flight too(evidently the only half hour when it was quiet) I felt like going over and throttling them, obviously it was in distress/hungry/whatever and they just didnt care

[Sam:)]

should have been the other way round

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not sure what your laws are in Britain but here kids have to be out of pubs by 8pm (I think, could be 9pm)

I'm not sure what the law is either, but whatever it is, I would like to see a couple of places where kids are just not allowed. My parents never, ever took me into a pub when I was a child. If we ate at a restaurant, it was early, and we were expected to behave or there were consequences. How selfish have you got to be to take your baby to a restaurant at 10pm and then sit idly by while it screams the place down.