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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I am absolutely no fan of Ed Miliband rhino, but people are listening to him on this issue,rightly or wrongly.
Cameron should have had the foresight, he is the PM after all,to ensure he was the one seen to be taking the initiative,not allowing Miliband to gather in so much ammunition.


As I said above, Cameron is the PM now, he has to distance himself from the Murdoch empire with credibility,inherited or not, it's something he should have done now, but need to do instantly.He is the PM, watching old newsreel back, I bet Margaret Thatcher would never have got caught out like this.

The expenses scandal was an issue that Brown was sort of left to clean up and do something about, few believe he did or has, he paid the (in part) price for that with a drumming at the ballot box,this issue could well turn into Camerons equivalent of that scandal and he isn't seen to be doing much at all, being made to drag his heels to every thing that needs to be done.

The poll rating is the main one though, there are many disgruntled voices in the Conservative party who are still asking how on earth did Cameron not win an overall majority in the easiest election ever for an opposition party to win,with a reckless Labour govt in deep trouble and a PM in Brown who had become a standing joke.
The fact that the Conservatives only polled 36% in the election and have rarely been above that since in the polls,is further damage to Cameron, this scandal and his at best only fair responses to the issues as yet may take his poll ratings down from low to even lower and that will be seen as massive failure by the Conservative party.

I feel sorry for Cameron, he has the deficit to deal with, the economy is still in poor shape,the recovery still extremely fragile, inflation higher, he has the added noose of Nick Clegg and his band of two faced deceivers around his neck, yapping like ankle biters all the time and now this scandal.

All the more reason to take full and assertive control, put all old loyalties aside and be the PM not like an assistant who has to be led by others to do and say the right things 'eventually'.
Failure to do so, will just continue to fuel the negatives as to his judgement,his reasons and moreso his competence.

He is the PM of the UK and sadly on issues like this all eyes and ears are on him,by having to be dragged near kicking and screaming to do anything he unfortunately makes himself an easy target for those who would bring him down, even worse for him is that many in his party have wanted that since he failed to get an overall majority and has then had to cosy up to the Lib Dems to be able to govern at all.

Had he not been able to get their support, he would have been gone a short time after the election.

Unfortunately Cameron as not a strong leader and imo is to the Conservative party what Brown was to new labour. Comparing him to Thatcher is like comparing a lamb and a lion and he does not have the charisma or the popularity that got Blair elected in the first place. It's a shame because this could have been an opportunity to show certainly the younger generation that there was another (and better) government than Labour. I fear this won't be the case as Cameron is just not up to the job and that's a fact. Even if he was amazingly dynamic it would be a struggle at every step as the polls show the public are willing him to fail rather than be hopeful he may not.

Politics is politics Joey, and unfortunately that will mean all focus will be on Cameron and not on the despicable and disgusting behaviour of the people responsible for this NOTW exploitation

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Originally Posted by rhino

Unfortunately Cameron as not a strong leader and imo is to the Conservative party what Brown was to new labour. Comparing him to Thatcher is like comparing a lamb and a lion and he does not have the charisma or the popularity that got Blair elected in the first place. It's a shame because this could have been an opportunity to show certainly the younger generation that there was another (and better) government than Labour. I fear this won't be the case as Cameron is just not up to the job and that's a fact. Even if he was amazingly dynamic it would be a struggle at every step as the polls show the public are willing him to fail rather than be hopeful he may not.

Politics is politics Joey, and unfortunately that will mean all focus will be on Cameron and not on the despicable and disgusting behaviour of the people responsible for this NOTW exploitation

I easily agree with all that, somehow I still feel Rebekah Brookes has shocks coming and likely will fall. I also think the Police may find themselves far more scrutinised as more gets revealed as to their antics in this too.


I hope Cameron wakes up, gets the BSkyB deal put on the back boiler, with all this going on there is no way at present the Murdochs could be seen as appropriate people to own fully BSkyB. There must be ways to put all that on hold pending all these investiagtions and inquiries.

I then hope Cameron himself, distances himself from those he called friends,it's clear if Cameron asked if any more was to come out on this as to Andy Coulson,if Coulson said no, then he was deceived and lied to by Coulson, he owes him no loyalty whatsoever.

As you say politics is politics and the only friends you have there are fair weather friends, wanting to be there with you on the way up and while you are at the top but who desert you the moment you start to fall.

Cameron needs to learn that and do so with Coulson, Brookes and the Murdochs.

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

I easily agree with all that, somehow I still feel Rebekah Brookes has shocks coming and likely will fall. I also think the Police may find themselves far more scrutinised as more gets revealed as to their antics in this too.


I hope Cameron wakes up, gets the BSkyB deal put on the back boiler, with all this going on there is no way at present the Murdochs could be seen as appropriate people to own fully BSkyB. There must be ways to put all that on hold pending all these investiagtions and inquiries.

I then hope Cameron himself, distances himself from those he called friends,it's clear if Cameron asked if any more was to come out on this as to Andy Coulson,if Coulson said no, then he was deceived and lied to by Coulson, he owes him no loyalty whatsoever.

As you say politics is politics and the only friends you have there are fair weather friends, wanting to be there with you on the way up and while you are at the top but who desert you the moment you start to fall.

Cameron needs to learn that and do so with Coulson, Brookes and the Murdochs.

.............in an ideal and just world................unfortunately for Cameron he has the unenvied task of holding the highly influential media executives accountable to appease the public while at the same time so desperately needing those executives on side so as try and keep what shaky amount of popularity he has - would take some real brain power to handle that problem and as I said before Cameron...............................poor guy, I do feel sympathy for him, too busy trying to clear up **** to have time to concentrate on any policies, but hey, problem is he's part of the **** we're given in politics these days. I don't think we could do much worse if we had an 'Apprentice' style reality show election