[Lee.]

This thread could go round in circles for ever...

I personally have always just thought of this whenever I have seen/heard Amy...

Youtube video

However, regardless of whether people appreciated her talent or agreed with her lifestyle, she is still somebody's baby whose life has ended far too soon. I hope her loved ones find peace and have lots of good, happy memories of her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Jade isn't even in the same league as Amy at anything

Yeah, Jade Goody was so unlucky not to be regarded as high up as alcoholics and smackheads.

[Doogle]

Originally Posted by happyland

This thread could go round in circles for ever...

I personally have always just thought of this whenever I have seen/heard Amy...

Youtube video

However, regardless of whether people appreciated her talent or agreed with her lifestyle, she is still somebody's baby whose life has ended far too soon. I hope her loved ones find peace and have lots of good, happy memories of her.

One of my favourite episodes

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

On this issue, I 100% agree with you Zippy.

I find it amazing that people think that her priorities were still about being in mags and tabloids when she was facing imminent death. She had two very young sons ffs. Im sure she was far more concerned with how they would deal with it. It must have been heartbreaking for her knowing they had to grow up without her.

Making money for their security was pretty much all she could do for them at that stage. Thats why she worked her ass off even when she was sick and looked awful.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yeah, Jade Goody was so unlucky not to be regarded as high up as alcoholics and smackheads.

They just lead totally different careers, and Amy's just happened to be a more respected one.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I find it amazing that people think that her priorities were still about being in mags and tabloids when she was facing imminent death. She had two very young sons ffs. Im sure she was far more concerned with how they would deal with it. It must have been heartbreaking for her knowing they had to grow up without her.

Making money for their security was pretty much all she could do for them at that stage. Thats why she worked her ass off even when she was sick and looked awful.

Absolutely right. Often at times suffering really great pain too as she did so.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Zippy

What a ridiculous point. Because the effect isnt lasting forever that somehow negates all the good it did for a good period of time?

The original claim was :

Originally Posted by Harry!

Jade's influence still lives on. Now because of her many girls across the counrty are now getting compulsory (Though there is an option to opt out) cervical cancer jabs saving many lives in the process.

With which you agreed :

Originally Posted by Zippy

good point, Harry.

If the effect was ephemeral, then, in the great scheme of things, it was no effect at all ..... just another example of hysteria generated by the tabloids .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Her primary motivation was leaving her sons decent money and security. Having watched somebody close suffer from cancer and face an imminent death I can assure you it sets their priorities straight in life.

Fame at that point of Jades life really wouldn't have meant much. Especially with the way she looked in her latter stages.

Her sons had suffered years of physical drama and emotional upheaval with Goody and didn't need money - their father already had enough money to support them and the sense to keep them out of the spotlight - Goody was just greedy for money, as she had been all her life - she didn't even leave a bequest to a charity, such as the Macmillan nurses who looked after her, in her will - she just wanted her boys to have flash cars .....

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Omah

Her sons had suffered years of physical drama and emotional upheaval with Goody and didn't need money - their father already had enough money to support them and the sense to keep them out of the spotlight - Goody was just greedy for money, as she had been all her life - she didn't even leave a bequest to a charity, such as the Macmillan nurses who looked after her, in her will - she just wanted her boys to have flash cars .....

utter BS as per usual

what the hell do you know about them suffering physical drama and upheaval? You've just made that up for effect.

Yeah she was greedy for money to spend from her grave! You obviously have no clue about a Mothers love and clearly can't even be bothered to even try and imagine it.

All she cared about in her dying days was doing evrything she could for them to compensate for them no longer having a mother. Which was to give them financially security. Even Jeff sings her praises as a Mother and backs up what I say.

You are just a hater with an agenda.

And why should she give to charities when she has two very young sons to provide for? They were her priority.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Zippy

utter BS as per usual

what the hell do you know about them suffering physical drama and upheaval? You've just made that up for effect.

Yeah she was greedy for money to spend from her grave! You obviously have no clue about a Mothers love and clearly can't even be bothered to even try and imagine it.

All she cared about in her dying days was doing evrything she could for them to compensate for them no longer having a mother. Which was to give them financially security. Even Jeff sings her praises as a Mother and backs up what I say.

You are just a hater with an agenda.

And why should she give to charities when she has two very young sons to provide for? They were her priority.

Oh dear, you're getting personal again .....

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Omah

Oh dear, you're getting personal again .....

oh diddums

you always cry victim that when you have no comeback.

I suggest you don't slander dead people who can't reply.

[Zippy]

Anyway, shut up about Jade. This threads about Amy.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Zippy

good point, Harry. As such, she's probably the most useful BB HM of all.

and Omah you still mention Jade all the time so ironic that you imply she's forgotten about.

Originally Posted by Zippy

If Jade's death encouraged just one person to get checked and have their life saved then she did more good than any other HM.

youre really stretching

Originally Posted by Zippy

What a ridiculous point. Because the effect isnt lasting forever that somehow negates all the good it did for a good period of time?

give me strength

Originally Posted by Zippy

Her primary motivation was leaving her sons decent money and security. Having watched somebody close suffer from cancer and face an imminent death I can assure you it sets their priorities straight in life.

Fame at that point of Jades life really wouldn't have meant much. Especially with the way she looked in her latter stages.

Originally Posted by Zippy

I find it amazing that people think that her priorities were still about being in mags and tabloids when she was facing imminent death. She had two very young sons ffs. Im sure she was far more concerned with how they would deal with it. It must have been heartbreaking for her knowing they had to grow up without her.

Making money for their security was pretty much all she could do for them at that stage. Thats why she worked her ass off even when she was sick and looked awful.

Originally Posted by Zippy

utter BS as per usual

what the hell do you know about them suffering physical drama and upheaval? You've just made that up for effect.

Yeah she was greedy for money to spend from her grave! You obviously have no clue about a Mothers love and clearly can't even be bothered to even try and imagine it.

All she cared about in her dying days was doing evrything she could for them to compensate for them no longer having a mother. Which was to give them financially security. Even Jeff sings her praises as a Mother and backs up what I say.

You are just a hater with an agenda.

And why should she give to charities when she has two very young sons to provide for? They were her priority.

Originally Posted by Zippy

oh diddums

you always cry victim that when you have no comeback.

I suggest you don't slander dead people who can't reply.

Originally Posted by Zippy

Anyway, shut up about Jade. This threads about Amy.

Are you looking in a mirror and talking to yourself when you wrote that last post Zippy.......seems you've done a fair bit of commenting about Jade in the thread when it suited you.

Old Blake refused special compassionate leave from jail to attend funeral yesterday. Not that he'd been invited anyway.

Mitch claiming that his daughter had been clean of drugs for 3 years.....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Are you looking in a mirror and talking to yourself when you wrote that last post Zippy.......seems you've done a fair bit of commenting about Jade in the thread when it suited you.

Ah, the biter bit .....

Funnily enough, that's what Goody used to do - accuse her "victims" of her own "crimes", e.g. "I hate liars", "I hate bullies", etc .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

Ah, the biter bit .....

Funnily enough, that's what Goody used to do - accuse her "victims" of her own "crimes", e.g. "I hate liars", "I hate bullies", etc .....

The word 'Book' comes to mind for some bizarre reason!

Talking of such things; that'll be the next thing out probably - detailing her rise and fall.

[Benjamin]

I was puzzled what the meant at first. Just got it.


I like Winehouse and felt she was a musical legend, one that achieved great things and could have achieved so much more. It's a shame she got caught in the downfall of drugs.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

I was puzzled what the meant at first. Just got it.


I like Winehouse and felt she was a musical legend, one that achieved great things and could have achieved so much more. It's a shame she got caught in the downfall of drugs.

No one knows that for sure. Perhaps what she had achieved was as good as she was going to get - perhaps that was her peak - no one knows - and certainly won't now.

According to reports; her father claims she had been drug free for 3 years. She didn't achieve much in the past 3 years, if there was any truth in Mitch's comment.

[Benjamin]

Why do you have to try and debate everything? It's getting rather tedious now to be honest.

I did state that the opinion I had was how I felt. I believe she could have gone on to achieve greater things.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Why do you have to try and debate everything? It's getting rather tedious now to be honest.

I did state that the opinion I had was how I felt. I believe she could have gone on to achieve greater things.

Because firstly, that is how subject such as this one on a forum work and my comment was how I felt (or is it only every one else that's allowed to do that on here, and not me).

Secondly - you will see I made a 2nd small paragraph which was opening up debate - regarding whether she has been drug free for x amount of years or not, as her father has been quoted as stating. You could have made comment on that rather than getting personal.

Would you prefer I did what Shaun did earlier? Put up a pesonally sarcastic comment to another member, which apart from being completely off topic, you thought was worthy of you replying to with a big grin - before that comment was removed?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by 08marsh

Yeah, Jade Goody was so unlucky not to be regarded as high up as alcoholics and smackheads.

That is such a childish comment, especially remembering this is a thread about Amy Winehouse. You don't have to rubbish one dead person in order to big-up another.

[Crimson Dynamo]

gaga talks utter bollocks about winehouse below

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...superstar.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

the dad seems to be talking a lot of bollocks

[Omah]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

gaga talks utter bollocks about winehouse below

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...superstar.html

The kooky American, who admitted she didn’t know the British soul icon, made her appeal while talking about the Back To Black singer.

The 25-year-old Judas singer said: ‘It's a lesson to the world. Don't kill the superstar, take care of her soul.’

Gaga also said she loved Amy ‘so much’ and revealed that she used to get mistaken for the soul singer before she became famous.

Speaking about Amy, who died on Saturday, Lady Gaga said: ‘I was nobody when she was first coming out. I would be on the street and people would go "Amy"'.

Jeez, that's typical of the current wave of opportunistic "grieving" .....

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Because firstly, that is how subject such as this one on a forum work and my comment was how I felt (or is it only every one else that's allowed to do that on here, and not me).

Secondly - you will see I made a 2nd small paragraph which was opening up debate - regarding whether she has been drug free for x amount of years or not, as her father has been quoted as stating. You could have made comment on that rather than getting personal.

Would you prefer I did what Shaun did earlier? Put up a pesonally sarcastic comment to another member, which apart from being completely off topic, you thought was worthy of you replying to with a big grin - before that comment was removed?

I would prefer to be able to have an opinion for once without having to have to contend with your opinion against it. I understand this is a forum, free speech and all, but doesn't mean you have to respond to everything all the time in a manner which sometimes is very baiting. As for the comment Shaun made, I'm not gonna lie, I did find it funny. Am I not allowed a sense of humour now?


Back on topic, I still believe that Winehouse could have gone on to greater things had she cleared herself up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zippy

but it's clearly not just me.

I think you'll find that amongst music critics, fellow artists and the music world generally Amy was regarded as one of the biggest talents in music.

but yeah, you know better...

some music critics

some fellow artists

"and the world in general" - oh. my. god. what are you on about?

look beyond your age, tastes and front door