[InOne]

They seem asexual to me

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I do think envy of success, measured in money terms, is a factor. The other factor is envy of the attention they get from girls in the age group which may the target of the envier - if you get my drift!

I.e. much the same as hatred of Justin Bieber.

Do you hang pictures of him on the inside of your wardrobe too?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I do think envy of success, measured in money terms, is a factor. The other factor is envy of the attention they get from girls in the age group which may the target of the envier - if you get my drift!

I.e. much the same as hatred of Justin Bieber.

I like Jedward but this is a weak argument. I find it very hard to believe that that's the reason why people don't like Jedward. As much as I like them, I can see why people would find them annoying.

[Vicky.]

Why can noone ever dislike someone without being jealous?

Its a ridiculous argument that pops up year after year. Except usually its 'everyone who dislikes *insert random pretty but bitchy girls name here* is jealous'

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Stu

Do you hang pictures of him on the inside of your wardrobe too?

No, they're on the outside! (Not bothered about JB one way or the other actually).

But, I will bet that the great majority of those who dislike Jedward also dislike Justin Bieber.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I like Jedward but this is a weak argument. I find it very hard to believe that that's the reason why people don't like Jedward. As much as I like them, I can see why people would find them annoying.

They're Irish, NO?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

No, they're on the outside! (Not bothered about JB one way or the other actually).

But, I will bet that the great majority of those who dislike Jedward also dislike Justin Bieber.

Grown adults with developed taste?

Sure.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fingers

They're Irish, NO?

Are you suggesting that's the only reason I like them?

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I like Jedward but this is a weak argument. I find it very hard to believe that that's the reason why people don't like Jedward. As much as I like them, I can see why people would find them annoying.

See, this is why I love Niamh

she at least views things from different perspectives. Anybody who can't see why many would find them annoying must be seriously obsessed or deluded.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Are you suggesting that's the only reason I like them?

'twas merely a random thought!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Why can noone ever dislike someone without being jealous?

Its a ridiculous argument that pops up year after year. Except usually its 'everyone who dislikes *insert random pretty but bitchy girls name here* is jealous'

YES! Pisses me off almost as much as "You only like *Insert Irish persons name here* because they're Irish."

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

YES! Pisses me off almost as much as "You only like *Insert Irish persons name here* because they're Irish."

I didn't SAY that!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

YES! Pisses me off almost as much as "You only like *Insert Irish persons name here* because they're Irish."

Indeed.

And all the, for example 'all welsh people must vote for glyn'

As if people vote based just on where they come from. And if they do, its sad

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fingers

I didn't SAY that!

You didn't have to say it, the implication was there

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

YES! Pisses me off almost as much as "You only like *Insert Irish persons name here* because they're Irish."

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by InOne

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You didn't have to say it, the implication was there

That's different, (true though)

Anyway I like Johnny Logan!

[Stu]

At least Logan won us Eurovision. That man is a national treasure.

[Niamh.]

Attention, Attention : I DON'T LIKE JOHNNY LOGAN

Now, stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Stu

Grown adults with developed taste?

Oh really? The chap who threw eggs at JB at a recent concert was 17 as I recall.

Somehow both Jedward and Bieber make certain groups (mainly young/youngish males) feel threatened in some way. I have suggested a couple of types of envy: it may not be quite the right word but perhaps more a feeling of inadequacy, viz. "Why should those two be getting so much attention and money when I don't and I'm about the same age as them... etc".

Yes, Jedward can be annoying - nobody can doubt that. But there people with FAR more annoying traits and we don't seem to get quite as worked up about it, do we?

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Stu

At least Logan won us Eurovision. That man is a national treasure.

Wasn't staging the following year's Eurovision the start of the downward spiral into bankruptcy?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by fingers

Wasn't staging the following year's Eurovision the start of the downward spiral into bankruptcy?

The last time we hosted it was in 1997 before the Celtic Tiger economy ever really took off so ... no?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Oh really? The chap who threw eggs at JB at a recent concert was 17 as I recall.

Somehow both Jedward and Bieber make certain groups (mainly young/youngish males) feel threatened in some way. I have suggested a couple of types of envy: it may not be quite the right word but perhaps more a feeling of inadequacy, viz. "Why should those two be getting so much attention and money when I don't and I'm about the same age as them... etc".

Yes, Jedward can be annoying - nobody can doubt that. But there people with FAR more annoying traits and we don't seem to get quite as worked up about it, do we?

You seem to be looking far too deep into things

People don't like them, there doesn't have to be much of a reason behind it

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Somehow both Jedward and Bieber make certain groups (mainly young/youngish males) feel threatened in some way.

In your opinion. In reality, its probably just a case of them disliking them.

I dont get the Bieber hate tbh...but each to their own.

I can totally understand it with jedward though at the minute...its not like they are just getting on with their life, doing concerts etc like Bieber does, they have put themselves forward for scrutiny, and are getting it. But some people seem unable to accept the fact that others might just dislike them because they are acting like little brats, instead insisting that there must be an element of envy there.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Oh really? The chap who threw eggs at JB at a recent concert was 17 as I recall.

Somehow both Jedward and Bieber make certain groups (mainly young/youngish males) feel threatened in some way. I have suggested a couple of types of envy: it may not be quite the right word but perhaps more a feeling of inadequacy, viz. "Why should those two be getting so much attention and money when I don't and I'm about the same age as them... etc".

Yes, Jedward can be annoying - nobody can doubt that. But there people with FAR more annoying traits and we don't seem to get quite as worked up about it, do we?

jesus christ hold me back!

has it occured to you that we just dont find them remotely interesting or entertaining and resent them being shoved in our face?

I envy people with TALENT. Not lucky chancers.

Bieber hysterical type fame(and Jedward are not in his league, frankly) is my worst nightmare so I most certainly do not envy it!