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Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

1. I dont give a **** about there or they"re.

2. Its not just Fat people draining our resources,as we have got nuclear Power Plants as far as the eye can see thats draining alot of our resources,then just people driving in cars or motorbikes are also draining our resources also.

Jedward, you know I love you to bits, but I can no longer take this thread seriously when nuclear power plants are compared to fat people.

CharlieO · 15-09-2011, 06:21 PM

The thread isn't about not allowing people to be fat. They are just saying there is no benefit in making it seem as acceptable and 'normal' when it shouldn't be and how we shouldn't be sensitive towards them when it could help them.

Mystic Mock · 15-09-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Jedward, you know I love you to bits, but I can no longer take this thread seriously when nuclear power plants are compared to fat people.

Im just saying that they also are a course for the planets resources being drained.

Anyway Pyramid did you get the fat person to move when you couldnt see the film at the cinema?

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieO

The thread isn't about not allowing people to be fat. They are just saying there is no benefit in making it seem as acceptable and 'normal' when it shouldn't be and how we shouldn't be sensitive towards them when it could help them.

And what is "normal" then? I'd really like to know.

is white more normal than black? is tall more normal than short? is skinny more normal than fat? Is man more normal than woman? Is gay more normal than straight?

what is normal?, and is normal good?

No, MOSt people in the world are NOT straight white skinny men. actually, straight white skinny men are a MINORITY. They are not normal at all. It is aparteid to give str8 white skinny men such power.

We all live under aparteid.

Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

Im just saying that they also are a course for the planets resources being drained.

Anyway Pyramid did you get the fat person to move when you couldnt see the film at the cinema?

I was not referring to the planet's resources. I was thinking a lot closer to home as far as the drains on the NHS are concerned.

But let's go back to the planets resources. they will wash more clothing as they will naturally sweat more, more washings mean more water being used, more detergents going in and polluting our rivers, more costs to water works etc.

All that extra washing will cause quicker damage to washign machines - what happens to the old one.... that's right, they get shipped off to some poor country and left on their doorstep.

See.....it's all relative.

CharlieO · 15-09-2011, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

And what is "normal" then? I'd really like to know.

is white more normal than black? is tall more normal than short? is skinny more normal than fat? Is man more normal than woman? Is gay more normal than straight?

what is normal?, and is normal good?

No, MOSt people in the world are NOT straight white skinny men. actually, straight white skinny men are a MINORITY> they are not normal at all.

What the many doctors and scientists have concluded as a healthy 'normal' BMI. That is what normal is weight wise as that is what is healthiest.

Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

And what is "normal" then? I'd really like to know.

is white more normal than black? is tall more normal than short? is skinny more normal than fat? Is man more normal than woman? Is gay more normal than straight?

what is normal?, and is normal good?

No, MOSt people in the world are NOT straight white skinny men. actually, straight white skinny men are a MINORITY> they are not normal at all.

*am doing what the obese should do. Am resisting tempation*

Shasown · 15-09-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever

1. I dont give a **** about there or they"re.

2. Its not just Fat people draining our resources,as we have got nuclear Power Plants as far as the eye can see thats draining alot of our resources,then just people driving in cars or motorbikes are also draining our resources also.

1. Obviously not

2. Are you wearing plastic gloves or something? Are your hands wet?

The reason I ask is you dont seem to have a grip on reality.

Nuclear plants dont waste resources, they generate large amount of energy for small amounts of resources, unlike coal oil or gas burning power stations. They do however leave small amounts of very nasty by products. Swings and roundabouts I suppose.

But what has that got to do with the price of eggs?

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieO

What the many doctors and scientists have concluded as a healthy 'normal' BMI. That is what normal is weight wise as that is what is healthiest.

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

get real.

Shasown · 15-09-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

Yes and this skinny person will slap you right out of this year if you do.

In other words.

You do what you feel is right and live with the consequences. However expect some sort of backlash if the consequences impact adversely on someone else

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes and this skinny person will slap you right out of this year if you do.

In other words.

You do what you feel is right and live with the consequences. However expect some sort of backlash if the consequences impact adversely on someone else

when you live in society, you expect compassion from others, that is the point of a society.

I think you are missing the point. that's MY point.

CharlieO · 15-09-2011, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

get real.

No where in this thread does it condone being underweight, 'skinny' and unhealthy. This thread is about overweight people, it doesn't say we should starve fat people until they are underweight did it. Plus I said 'healthy normal BMI' which means you are not underweight nor overweight thus you are in the realms of being healthy.

So I do not understand where your point comes into play?

Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

a nd does every skinny person do what the doctors and scientists say is healthy? last time i checked skinny people die of diseases too.

so next time i see a skinny person eating a hamburger, i have every right to slap it out of their hands and condemn them??

get real.

Irony much.

Shasown · 15-09-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

when you live in society, you expect compassion from others, that is the point of a society.

I think you are missing the point. that's MY point.

And one way of showing compassion is to help the person reduce weight down from being obese to a healthier weight, the only person who can actually lose the weight is the person needing to lose it, they have to take responsibility for their own lives.

If motivating them to lose weight helps them gain a safe weight isnt that showing compassion?

Or are you still missing Frank Skinners Point and if you are is it deliberate?

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 06:46 PM

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

Shasown · 15-09-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

I could mention the words "entirely preventable" but would just be wasting my time, you would simply change the goalposts again.

As for referencing racism well you know all about that!

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 06:55 PM

Yes i do know about it, so i know it when i see it, and i know the ugly eyes on someone who thinks that way.

Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

Other than telling people to 'Get real', 'you arent paying attention',
if you honestly and truly cannot understand the more salient, critical and serious points that many people have offered up - more recently Charlie O for example as well as others on here and make sense of them, there really is no point in continuing the discussion with you.

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 06:58 PM

There's no point in continuing i agree, because you can't argue with a bigot. That is the definition of a bigot.

Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

There's no point in continuing i agree, because you can't argue with a bigot. That is the definition of a bigot.

And you my friend are breaking the rules of this forum I believe.

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Main rules...

1. Treat other forum members with respect, no insults. *Important*

No use going around throwing insult about because you are failing to understand some /many of the points raised.

lostalex · 15-09-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid*

And you my friend are breaking the rules of this forum I believe.

No use going around throwing insult about because you are failing to understand some /many of the points raised.

bigot is not an insult. It's an actual descriptive term. Someone that you cannot argue with, they have their mind made up.

That is what a bigot is. Google it. What other word can i use?

Pyramid* · 15-09-2011, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

bigot is not an insult. It's an actual descriptive term. Someone that you cannot argue with, they have their mind made up.

That is what a bigot is. Google it. What other word can i use?

Happy to provide.

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a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

It's an insult and it is regarded as an offensive term - which you are using to use toward other forum members on a personal level, rather than dealing with the actual subject matter.

Mystic Mock · 15-09-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

You condemn fat people. but how many "average" weight people also have high blood pressure, and or cancer, or a myraid of other diseases from how they eat, that also burden the NHS?? BUt yu are targetting fat epople.

It's only because they look different. it's just like racism.

Study after study shows that people can be unhealthy but look "normal".

You arn't paying attention.

Your argument is that fat people cost you money, well so does everyone else,. and looking "fat" does not make you unhealthy.

this is turning ugly, so i'm not going to continue for much longer, but the fact is, this is about demonizing people because you don't like how they look. period, end of sentence. No different to racism.

I couldnt have put it better myself,but some people on this forum are everything ists and isms.