[noid]

I am white(it will make sense why I mention this in a moment). I love Big Brother and have seen every season. I like all aspects of the show except for the lack of cultural diversity some seasons. This season isn't too bad but I was hoping for more ethnicity in the housemates. It always makes things more interesting IMO. Anyway that's just my preference.

Now let me get to the point. There is a lot of double standards that go on in the house and also by the public when it comes to black or other minority housemates. I've seen it a lot in past seasons and this season with Aaron and Anton is a good example.

First off my initial impressions of Anton was that he was a dickhead and I got very little entertainment value from him. The delusional ranting about bagging Maisy and the other females in the beginning was pathetic to say the least. I actually quite liked Aaron in the beginning though and all the way up until shortly after the whole love triangle thing blew up.

I won't get too long with it but what made me change my mind was the way the public have painted Anton to be such a villain and Aaron a hero. First off Anton is intentionally being two faced in the diary room for entertainment value. Sometimes he is a massive prick but it is always entertaining to listen to him(even if he is making an ass of himself). Aaron claimed in his VT that he has his way with the ladies and that he was going to stir it up and that is exactly what he has done. The problem is no one seems to realize he is doing it and think that he's so innocent.

The big difference between Anton and Aaron and much to Anton's dismay is that Aaron is much more intelligent than Anton. Aaron is much more sly and cunning as well. Besides masterfully sulking like a child when his feelings have been hurt, Aaron uses language like accusations of sexism and cheap shots like the bit about wheelchair to influence public opinion and obviously it's working like a charm.

It also works even better when the opponent happens to be a minority. This will controversial to be sure but why does Emma Willis "love that Aaron is loving all the drama"(latest BOTS)? But when Anton does or says something similar she despises him for it.

Even with Heaven; She is a bit of a nutter but surely she is very kind at heart and harmless to say the least. Why so much hatred from the public?

I really could go on and on but that's just the gist of it. I'm sure no one here will agree. "You're too sensitive" or "You're imagining things" they'll say.

Oh well I said it.

[Raven]

Wrong.... someone does agree... me!

I've been saying that about aaron for quite a while and pointing out the double standards, not that many folks around here want to listen

[Raven]

Wrong.... someone does agree... me!

I've been saying that about aaron for quite a while and pointing out the double standards, not that many folks around here want to listen

[Angus]

Originally Posted by noid

I am white(it will make sense why I mention this in a moment). I love Big Brother and have seen every season. I like all aspects of the show except for the lack of cultural diversity some seasons. This season isn't too bad but I was hoping for more ethnicity in the housemates. It always makes things more interesting IMO. Anyway that's just my preference.

Now let me get to the point. There is a lot of double standards that go on in the house and also by the public when it comes to black or other minority housemates. I've seen it a lot in past seasons and this season with Aaron and Anton is a good example.

First off my initial impressions of Anton was that he was a dickhead and I got very little entertainment value from him. The delusional ranting about bagging Maisy and the other females in the beginning was pathetic to say the least. I actually quite liked Aaron in the beginning though and all the way up until shortly after the whole love triangle thing blew up.

I won't get too long with it but what made me change my mind was the way the public have painted Anton to be such a villain and Aaron a hero. First off Anton is intentionally being two faced in the diary room for entertainment value. Sometimes he is a massive prick but it is always entertaining to listen to him(even if he is making an ass of himself). Aaron claimed in his VT that he has his way with the ladies and that he was going to stir it up and that is exactly what he has done. The problem is no one seems to realize he is doing it and think that he's so innocent.

The big difference between Anton and Aaron and much to Anton's dismay is that Aaron is much more intelligent than Anton. Aaron is much more sly and cunning as well. Besides masterfully sulking like a child when his feelings have been hurt, Aaron uses language like accusations of sexism and cheap shots like the bit about wheelchair to influence public opinion and obviously it's working like a charm.

It also works even better when the opponent happens to be a minority. This will controversial to be sure but why does Emma Willis "love that Aaron is loving all the drama"(latest BOTS)? But when Anton does or says something similar she despises him for it.

Even with Heaven; She is a bit of a nutter but surely she is very kind at heart and harmless to say the least. Why so much hatred from the public?

I really could go on and on but that's just the gist of it. I'm sure no one here will agree. "You're too sensitive" or "You're imagining things" they'll say.

Oh well I said it.

Anton is a vile, malicious, spiteful bully, and it's people like you that propogate the myth that we should be accepting of his behaviour simply because he's black. No you're not too sensitive at all, just incredibly disingenous. IMO you are the one playing the racist card to slap down any oppostion or criticism of his thoroughly repulsive personality. Anton fans are getting increasingly desperate now, and are prepared to insult FMs by calling them racists for daring to despise the little turd. What you are saying is that we have to believe that all black people are wonderful human beings??

As for Heaven, she was one of my faves, and I wish she had stayed to rile Anton up even more. IMO she was more deserving of her place in the house than the likes of Louise, Faye, Jay, Aden, Tom and of course the piece of scum that is Anton. The only colour I see when I look at him is yellow, strangely enough the same colour as Aden and Jay.

[jyunga]

People who dislike Anton dislike him cause he is a douche. Finding out Aaron kissed Maisy, he was all over spreading that about and adding in that he fingered her (which he has no proof of). He is a crowd in the house, yet in the DR makes on (yes for entertainment purposes) that he is all slick and sly and ****. If Anton was actually himself, more people might like him. He's actually doing himself discredit but pretending to act like someone he isn't.. similar to Aden acting like he's all street when he obviously is an emo little puss.

As for Aaron, people from outside the show have confirmed that Aaron is Aaron in the house and that the VT was just BS to get him in. The fact he's a handsome guy and is genuinely a nice guy is why the girls are all over him. That's why he's had the oppertunity to come off as a "player".

Everything we see is edited. How many times have you hear about Harry ****ting in the freezer or Aaron making sexist remarks or talking about fisting girls? You haven't, cause they don't. From what the HMs have said it seems like Jay and Anton spend all day doing and saying that kinda ****, and Aaron doesn't seem the type to sit around pretending to be close buddies with people that act like that. Thus the clash of heads (especially lately with noms able to be talked about).

As for Heaven, she wasn't bat**** crazy, she was fake and ****. Almost ever "spiritual" or "natural" person I've known or been friends with are full of useless BS they spread around to everyone to get them to change their views on this. very annoying.

[MusicMan]

If Anton was white he'd still be the same villain, only white.

Heaven was evicted coz she's loud and annoying and strange, if she was white people wouldn't be like oh she's not annoying now.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by MusicMan

If Anton was white he'd still be the same villain, only white.

Heaven was evicted coz she's loud and annoying and strange, if she was white people wouldn't be like oh she's not annoying now.

I just think it's a cheap dig, I've seen no evidence on racism on these forums.


What I have seen on this forum is the large amount of dislike towards Jay and yet he's white.

Then we've had all the dislike towards Rebeckah, oh and she is white too....

[fruit_cake]

I don't particularly agree with the racism bit, and Rebeckah has taken by far the worst of the hate..but I do agree that there are double standards applied for Aaron

[Supernovarolla]

Originally Posted by Raven

Wrong.... someone does agree... me!

I've been saying that about aaron for quite a while and pointing out the double standards, not that many folks around here want to listen

I don't agree with the racism criticism, but I do agree with the double-standards comment.

I've been saying the same too. The level of hypocrisy on here from the Aaron camp is staggering.

I'm not an Anton fan by any means; I find him just as dislikable as Aaron. Both are equally as bad as each other, both are smug and arrogant, yet only Anton gets criticised for it. They both claimed in their VTs that they were going to play games or stir it up in the house. Aaron provokes HMs then stands back, watches them react and then plays the innocent card. He's been doing it for so long now that I'm absolutely gobsmacked how his fans can turn a blind eye to it.

I'm a fair person and I have criticised my favourite HMs on here (and elsewhere) when I think they've done wrong, but I've yet to see those who support Aaron criticisng his behaviour when he has taken things too far.

In regards to the latest task failure; yes, Anton only climbed the equivalent of Ben Nevis so he could split Faye and Aaron up which was childish, but does anyone *really* believe that Aaron and Harry wouldn't have convinced the others to join them and walk out of the task regardless? I'd bet my house, that if Faye wasn't there they both would have still walked out. By walking out of the task, they punished the entire house just to get back at Anton. They could have easily targeted him without targeting every HM in the house too.

[hennessy]

Didn't like Anton before hate him even worse after hearing he got sacked from a job for calling a woman a '*****'.
Is that racist?

[Cromwell1900]

No Racism non what so ever, but you have summed Aaron up quite well i think.

[Locke.]

I agree with the whole post apart from the race bit.

Anton is just being portrayed as the villain at the minute, when people look back in a few months they'll realize he wasn't as "evil" as they think he was. (And while am on the subject, anyone that thinks he is a bully is an absolute idiot). I don't think it would matter what race he was really.

[hennessy]

Even Louise pulled him up on being too obsessed about Aaron, calling him names behind his back.
When Aaron does this maybe I'll start to come round

[CaudleHalbard]

I think anyone who calls BB HMs "evil" has never actually come across an evil person.

[Niamh.]

I quite like Antons game playing, he's spicing up the show alot. But to accuse people who don't like him of being racist is out of order and untrue imo. It's quite easy to understand why people wouldn't like him and it's not about colour.

As for Heaven, people found her a bit annoying, I didn't see alot of "hate" for her though

[alex_front2]

Disagree, nothing to do with race at all and I am a black woman from a working class done good background who doesn't like Anton but is liking Aaron (white/ middle class) and Harry (white/ posh) more and more.

The fact is I've been around a lot of black men obviously family, community and Anton is not that unique. There is a sexism culture amongst a certain type of younger black man, mainly due to influence from misogyny and homophobia (fear of any effeminate characteristics in men) in hip-hop/ urban culture now. Dr David Starkey post-riots got shot down for commenting on this, but I agree 100% - AS A BLACK WOMAN. Anything that's not good in 'New black culture' is referred to as being 'gay'. Aden and Jay are like this too and they are white, so poster Noid's fury should be aimed at why they get away with it rather than Aaron.

Also according to Jeff Brazier and Emma Willis on OKTV 'Anton has bullied Aaron "more than we have been allowed to see". It appears C5's attitude is to protect bad behaviour and make the nice ones suffer, a bit like the Head Teacher who refuses to expel a bully. I dislike the B-word (Bullying along with the other B-word banter) but I do suspect they are covering up Jay and Anton's crimes e.g. Freezergate which is wrong as they have a duty of care to the others.

[Saph]

yes we all just hate the blacks GET THEM OUT!

..no of course its not racist why does someone always have to bring this up

[G1dds]

Subtle racism indeed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Disagree, nothing to do with race at all and I am a black woman from a working class done good background who doesn't like Anton but is liking Aaron and Harry more and more.

The fact is I've been around a lot of black men obviously family, community and Anton is not that unique. There is a sexism culture amongst a certain type of younger black man, mainly due to influence from misogyny and homophobia (fear of any effeminate characteristics in men) in hip-hop/ urban culture now. Dr David Starkey post-riots got shot down for commenting on this, but I agree 100% - AS A BLACK WOMAN. Anything that's not good in 'New black culture' is referred to as being 'gay'. Aden and Jay are like this too and they are white, so poster Noid's fury should be aimed at why they get away with it rather than Aaron.

Also according to Jeff Brazier and Emma Willis on OKTV 'Anton has bullied Aaron "more than we have been allowed to see". It appears C5's attitude is to protect bad behaviour and make the nice ones suffer, a bit like the Head Teacher who refuses to expel a bully. I dislike the B-word (Bullying along with the other B-word banter) but I do suspect they are covering up Jay and Anton's crimes e.g. Freezergate which is wrong as they have a duty of care to the others.

Really? Oh God I miss live feed

Interesting post btw and yeah Jay especially, is as, if not more vile with his attitudes towards women (probably more actually) Aden is just an easily led idiot, trying to look cool in front of the popular kids.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by angus58

Anton is a vile, malicious, spiteful bully, and it's people like you that propogate the myth that we should be accepting of his behaviour simply because he's black. No you're not too sensitive at all, just incredibly disingenous. IMO you are the one playing the racist card to slap down any oppostion or criticism of his thoroughly repulsive personality. Anton fans are getting increasingly desperate now, and are prepared to insult FMs by calling them racists for daring to despise the little turd. What you are saying is that we have to believe that all black people are wonderful human beings??

As for Heaven, she was one of my faves, and I wish she had stayed to rile Anton up even more. IMO she was more deserving of her place in the house than the likes of Louise, Faye, Jay, Aden, Tom and of course the piece of scum that is Anton. The only colour I see when I look at him is yellow, strangely enough the same colour as Aden and Jay.

Well said Angus ,I never even thought of colour i just dislike spiteful bigheads and that is Anton AND Jay who is white,they are both vile.

[soundslike]

Originally Posted by Supernovarolla

I don't agree with the racism criticism, but I do agree with the double-standards comment.

I've been saying the same too. The level of hypocrisy on here from the Aaron camp is staggering.

I'm not an Anton fan by any means; I find him just as dislikable as Aaron. Both are equally as bad as each other, both are smug and arrogant, yet only Anton gets criticised for it. They both claimed in their VTs that they were going to play games or stir it up in the house. Aaron provokes HMs then stands back, watches them react and then plays the innocent card. He's been doing it for so long now that I'm absolutely gobsmacked how his fans can turn a blind eye to it.

I'm a fair person and I have criticised my favourite HMs on here (and elsewhere) when I think they've done wrong, but I've yet to see those who support Aaron criticisng his behaviour when he has taken things too far.

In regards to the latest task failure; yes, Anton only climbed the equivalent of Ben Nevis so he could split Faye and Aaron up which was childish, but does anyone *really* believe that Aaron and Harry wouldn't have convinced the others to join them and walk out of the task regardless? I'd bet my house, that if Faye wasn't there they both would have still walked out. By walking out of the task, they punished the entire house just to get back at Anton. They could have easily targeted him without targeting every HM in the house too.

100% agree with you. My favourite is Harry but he lost some of my support last week with his attention seeking and cock game playing whidh I don't believe was his true character at all. I can see wrong in my hm and don't kiss his butt at the slightest thing he does or try to convince myself that he is right when he is wrong. That is just immature and pathetic.

[soundslike]

Originally Posted by Raven

Wrong.... someone does agree... me!

I've been saying that about aaron for quite a while and pointing out the double standards, not that many folks around here want to listen

I agree with you.

[Visage]

Originally Posted by noid

The reactions here are so predictable. Most of you are obviously delusional and wouldn't admit to any racial biases because you take it as an attack on your character.

If you actually read what I've said, I haven't excused Anton's behaviour at all. I'm simply pointing out the double standard and wondering what you lot are missing.

If you think Anton is bad, you should hate Aaron because they are very similar when it comes right down to it.

I personally enjoy the drama from both sides but dislike the double standards.

I've seen Anton say he's going to remove housemates out of the house, by manipulating others. This was seen the morning after he saw Maisy and Aaron kissing. He caused quite a stir that morning. He's said he's going to destroy Aaron.

I haven't seen (but correct me if I'm wrong) Aaron talk like this, all I have seen his him saying he can't live with certain types, namely Anton and Jay.

I've seen Anton say he's going to get Maisy on his birthday like she was a piece of meat on some rack. I haven't seen Aaron talk this way about the females in the house.


No housemate has come out and looked shocked and hurt by anything that Aaron has said in the diary room. I've seen both Heaven and Maisy shocked at what they have seen from Anton.

Both Aaron and Anton may be playing the same game but Aaron doesn't come across as nasty and vile as Anton does.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Visage

I've seen Anton say he's going to remove housemates out of the house, by manipulating others. This was seen the morning after he saw Maisy and Aaron kissing. He caused quite a stir that morning. He's said he's going to destroy Aaron.

I haven't seen (but correct me if I'm wrong) Aaron talk like this, all I have seen his him saying he can't live with certain types, namely Anton and Jay.

I've seen Anton say he's going to get Maisy on his birthday like she was a piece of meat on some rack. I haven't seen Aaron talk this way about the females in the house.


No housemate has come out and looked shocked and hurt by anything that Aaron has said in the diary room. I've seen both Heaven and Maisy shocked at what they have seen from Anton.

Both Aaron and Anton may be playing the same game but Aaron doesn't come across as nasty and vile as Anton does.

Exactly,Visage