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BB12 Big Brother 12 started on Thursday Sept 9th 2011 on Channel 5 for a 9-week run. The series was won by Aaron. Tell us what you thought about the housemates and series in this forum.

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Old 08-11-2011, 01:12 AM #1
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No, you missed my question.

What obligation did they have to convince Aaron to change his mind and spend a bit of money?

Why didn't Aaron approach them and suggest that they do so?
You keep making this point and it does annoy me somewhat.

They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to.

How would you feel if a brother/sister/friend turned up you a parents/friend's birthday with a £500 gift when you had all already agreed to spend say £10?

You would be totally justified in not spending the money but you would still feel guity and annoyed at the other person for not warning you first.
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They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to.

The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Please...

Inventing 'social obligations' for Jay/Lou while ignoring them for Aaron....
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The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Please...

Inventing 'social obligations' for Jay/Lou while ignoring them for Aaron....
Are you saying they did not have a social obligation to WARN him they were buying the presents?

Because they did.
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Are you saying they did not have a social obligation to WARN him they were buying the presents?

Because they did.
Ofc they didn't. Wheres the 'social obligation' that says that a person has to tell another person if they are buying a friend a present? Especially if the first person has said no already, repeatedly.

Aaron stated TWICE prior he didn't want to spend any of his money on Alex/Tom... Why on earth would anyone ask him a third time or include him in their plans... His feelings were clear.

Even if they had told him he probably would have said he felt 'emotionally blackmailed' but was going to 'stick by his principles' or some other victim drivel.

The end result wouldn't have changed. He still would have ruined the birthdays, simply for camera time.


Also, you avoided my question... I asked; The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Why do you insist on 'social obligations' from others but not from Aaron?
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Ofc they didn't. Wheres the 'social obligation' that says that a person has to tell another person if they are buying a friend a present? Especially if the first person has said no already, repeatedly.

Aaron stated TWICE prior he didn't want to spend any of his money on Alex/Tom... Why on earth would anyone ask him a third time or include him in their plans... His feelings were clear.

Even if they had told him he probably would have said he felt 'emotionally blackmailed' but was going to 'stick by his principles' or some other victim drivel.

The end result wouldn't have changed. He still would have ruined the birthdays, simply for camera time.


Also, you avoided my question... I asked; The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan?

Why do you insist on 'social obligations' from others but not from Aaron?
Both Jay and Louise agreed with him there not to spend any money, they should have told him when they decided to spend their money to avoid him feeling guilty or embarresed when they appeared with expensive gifts and he had nothing.

The example I gave aboves sums up what I meant very clearly.

As for what would have happend next, neither of us are mindreaders, so who knows?

I avoided your other question as;

A. I dont know what you are reffering too.
B. Even if I did I have a feeling it hasnt got much to do with our discussion.

I look foward to your reply, but I can't respond till tommorow, nighty night.
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You keep making this point and it does annoy me somewhat.

They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to.

How would you feel if a brother/sister/friend turned up you a parents/friend's birthday with a £500 gift when you had all already agreed to spend say £10?

You would be totally justified in not spending the money but you would still feel guity and annoyed at the other person for not warning you first.
This kind of all boils down to if you think Jay see's Aaron as a player. If Jay does then Social obligations be damned right? I'm pretty sure with all that's been going on over recent weeks there is plenty of reason for Jay to suspect Aaron's is a player. The correct thing was for Jay to tell him he's change his mind but being incorrect is a small crime when a game involving 50 grand is at stake.
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This kind of all boils down to if you think Jay see's Aaron as a player. If Jay does then Social obligations be damned right? I'm pretty sure with all that's been going on over recent weeks there is plenty of reason for Jay to suspect Aaron's is a player. The correct thing was for Jay to tell him he's change his mind but being incorrect is a small crime when a game involving 50 grand is at stake.
Not sure what you are saying.

Just so you are aware i am having a discussion on one part of the present-gate saga and not the whole thing, so that may be why I don't understand.
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Not sure what you are saying.

Just so you are aware i am having a discussion on one part of the present-gate saga and not the whole thing, so that may be why I don't understand.
Oh yes i realize that,

I just think Jay probably tried to gain the upperhand over Aaron on this one, perhaps because he see's Aaron as a Gameplayer.

Social Obligation's are for Social situations, and not to be aplied imo where two people are playing games with each other in BB.
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Oh yes i realize that,

I just think Jay probably tried to gain the upperhand over Aaron on this one, perhaps because he see's Aaron as a Gameplayer.

Social Obligation's are for Social situations, and not to be aplied imo where two people are playing games with each other in BB.
And there was me thinking that the entire concept of Big Brother comes off the back of a SOCIAL experiment.

Silly me.
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