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Old 13-11-2011, 05:39 PM #11
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LOL @ Janelle being an awful player. Yea, she is an average strategist and manipulator, but when it comes to competitions she is the Ozzy of Big Brother. You just don't make it to the final 3 in back to back seasons by being an awful player. Winning competitions has its value.
Let me correct myself, an awful strategic player. And you give Ozzy way too much credit your bias is bright as day in all these posts.

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What makes Richard Hatch this great of a player? Because he was the first to start an alliance? Are you ****ing kidding me? Explain what happened in All-stars then.
He was the only one to see it as a strategic game. Not only did he make the first alliance, but he had to work hard at keeping it together with Kelly befriending Pagong, Kelly and Sue fighting, etc. He had both Sue and Kelly thinking he was on their side of the argument and it paid off in the end when Kelly sided with Richard in the revote at F4 and Sue voted for Richard in the end. And what happened in All-Stars? He had a target. It's human nature, he's the first winner, of course he was going to have a target. Especially with someone as bitter as Jenna Lewis going on a rampage against the winners. Richard did a great job at trying to downplay his target though, probably the best compared to Tina, Ethan, and Jenna.

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Yul made the right move every time. He played close to a perfect game. The problem that I have with Yul that season was he possessed the most powerful idol in Survivor history, which basically guarantees him a spot in the final 3. I don't know what Survivor producers were thinking when they came up with that idol. Was not fair to the other players for someone to have that much power.

He also had Ozzy on his tribe. When the mutiny happened, Ozzy went on an amazing run like no other in Survivor history. He single handily won every single challenge for his tribe and made it all the way to the final 3 just by winning competitions. If Ozzy had lost just once, he would have been evicted. At that point even Yul wanted him gone. Just for that alone, Ozzy should have won Cook Islands and would have won if Adam didn't promise Yul his vote. Even with all that said, Yul is a better player than Richard Hatch.
Yul definitely played the best game of his season, but he made a lot of potential mistakes and luck played a big factor in his win. Not to mention the whole controversy about possible production manipulation, but that's another story. Your argument that Ozzy deserved to win because he won Challenges is asinine, you really are showing that you don't understand how Survivor works in each post you make. As bold of a statement as it may be, Candice played a better game than Ozzy in Cook Islands.

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Sandra's number one goal on All-stars was to get Russell Hantz evicted, how did that work out for her? Nothing went the way Sandra wanted it to go. She was just there for the ride.
Sandra may not have been able to take him out, but at the end of the day, she was far from the only one to target him. She was able to target him without appearing as a threat, something which is very difficult to pull off. She was able to work both sides of the Heroes and the Villains and truly know what was going on throughout the whole game. And she played to the Jury's tastes very well in the Final TC. Her game had strategic decisions, but they were under the radar, and since you only look at the big, show-off, "glitz and glamour" type of moves, you fail to recognize them and consider them inferior, which shows how little you know about the game itself.

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Russell perfected the blindside. Anytime he wanted someone evicted, best believe they went home packing. Russell's biggest problem was he back stabbed everyone, besides the people he made an alliance with on day one (Parvati and Natalie White) and he was just very cut throat. He played a very similar game to the one that Boston Rob played in All-stars, but with a lot more strategy.

Look how he destroyed Boston Rob in this clip. He knows exactly the right move to make every single time. Even Stephen Fishback has said numerous times that Russell is the best Survivor strategist ever.

Another great thing in that clip, by using the idol on Parvati. That caused Jerri to believe everything that Russell was telling her and she immediately jumped to his side. That was just a brilliant strategic move. Hands down the best move in Survivor history.
You're so wrong it isn't even funny. Russell's game in HvV is so flawed and a big mess. His strategy was very sloppy and unorganized, his social game was horrendous (and as much as you don't think social game should matter and as much as you fail to think about social game, it matters. End of story), and played without being able to get any Jury votes. He had absolutely zero chance of winning the whole time, so how can you praise him for being a great player if he could never win?

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The problem with you is, you aren't objective at all. Your hatred for Russell clouds your judgement.
at that coming from an Ozzytard, if you wanna talk about clouding judgment. The problem with you is, you fail to see all aspects of the game. You just look at what's on the surface. You care about who can pull off big moves and big blindsides, failing to look at the consequences and repercussions that come afterwards. You look at all competitive and strategic game and fail to look at the social aspect, which can make or break the game.
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