[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

You've got your beliefs and fair play, but I will no longer kow-tow to the transgender lobby. If people want to think they are female or male then fair play I will go along with it to respect their feelings and make them feel accepted,but behind closed doors I won't actually believe it.

Yes thats fine but you are saying things that are rediculous ie "people get bored so change back to their original sex" that is absurd.

Being gay and being transexual is not the same thing and that is a fact.

[spintronic]

Originally Posted by Doogle

She's such a stupid bitch.

Am I sexist if I call him/she a "stupid dog"?

[spintronic]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm never going back to DS! They ban you for breathing in there!

Oh the Irony.

"C'est la vie".

[Pyramid*]

Harry made it clear when they showed the VT's in the house, that one of the reasons he'd never do the Gay Mag pose was because he would not have a business left if he did.

His business life would be affected and that's a fair enough and reasonable comment: after all, he's not responsible for other people's opinions as far as his businesses are concerned.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

First of all not everyone believes in transgender for various reasons eg religion/ culture/ science. That you can't actually change your assigned birth gender any more than you can change your race, so to a lot of people the likes of Lauren Harries is just a bitchy gay man who's had a vagina installed.

When I meet transgendered people I will always treat them in the way they want to be treated, so if I met Lauren I'd regard her to her face as being a woman. But in private I will see her as a bloke, but never let this be known to her out of respect for what she wants. To be honest I used to believe in transgenderism, and supported it now I am cynical and think people just change gender as they can't hack being in their birth gender. What I think in private is up to me and I refuse to tow the PC-line, but again I would never let on to a transgendered person as they should never be made to feel uncomfortable. An effeminate man deciding he would make a better woman as he's never going to live up to the ideal of the macho man. Rather than changing gender, I would rather society accepted that some men are effeminate and some women are butch. There's a who spectrum of people. You don't have to be a woman to be feminine and not all women are feminine anyway.

For me now gender isn't something you can actively participate in changing - it's given to you when you are born (unless you are inter-sexual). If you can change your gender then you can change your race and ethnicity! And there is growing number of transgender people who are changing back to their birth gender 'oh I am bored of being a female now, I now want to be a bloke again'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...ws-hed-be.html

http://deaconjohnspace.wordpress.com...ge-operations/

Why don't we have men who want to become butch women? Why are all male to female transgenders wanting to be frilly, girly and feminine? I grew up pa girl who liked playing football and playing with action men, but it didn't make me want to be a boy. Why aren't there men who want to be tomboys as tomboys are still female. I am actually insulted when transgendered women say 'I always wanted to be a girl as I liked playing with dolls and wearing pink' Erm, I didn't.

And even those that do accept transgenderism/ transsexualism etc see it as part of the LGBT spectrum even though most male - to - female transgender women will be women who fancy men ie straight women.

I agree with you, you can't change your gender. If "she" takes a DNA test, "she" will show up as a man.

A black person can bleach their skin to make it appear white. That still doesn't change their race. Was Michael Jackson a white man after he bleached his skin? Of course not.

[spintronic]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I agree with you, you can't change your gender. If "she" takes a DNA test, "she" will show up as a man.

A black person can bleach their skin to make it appear white. That still doesn't change their race. Was Michael Jackson a white man after he bleached his skin? Of course not.

There are rare cases, Klinefelter's syndrome = xxy Male,
and
XYY syndrome = xyy male.

But at the end of the day.

If you have 1 y or 2 y chromosomes, you're a man. End of.

Nothing short of a "D.N.A manipulation machine" from Stargate (Built by the ancients) will change that fact.

No amount of stem cell or hormone therapy, nor surgery.

You'll still be a man.

[flamingGalah!]

Surely if anything Harry would have been transphobic, rather than homophobic?? Or does Lauren still consider herself a bloke??

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Surely if anything Harry would have been transphobic, rather than homophobic?? Or does Lauren still consider herself a bloke??

closer to the truth I think.

Lauren swings like the wind when it suits.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

How ironic that in a thread to do with discrimination you choose to use, quite unnecessarily, a fairly offensive and discriminatory term towards transgenders.

I'm against what Lauren is claiming, but is there any need really?

very good point.Theres's no need for that sort of thing on these forums..

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

very good point.Theres's no need for that sort of thing on these forums..

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

His own fault for mincing about the place for nine weeks

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

they always trip themselves up

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

they always trip themselves up

Calling Aaron Shaaron for a laugh because of his feminate charactaristics is hardly as offensive as what you are calling lauren..You need to get a grip of what you post.A lot of people find that sort of thing really offensive.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by parmnion

very good point.Theres's no need for that sort of thing on these forums..

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

This coming from the person that refered to Aaron as 'Sharron'...

Originally Posted by parmnion

His own fault for mincing about the place for nine weeks

Oh dear.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Calling Aaron Shaaron for a laugh because of his feminate charactaristics is hardly as offensive as what you are calling lauren..You need to get a grip of what you post.A lot of people find that sort of thing really offensive.

A lot of people would take offense to their behaviour being termed as 'mincing about'.....

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

A lot of people would take offense to their behaviour being termed as 'mincing about'.....

adjective affected, nice, camp (informal), precious, pretentious, dainty, sissy, effeminate, foppish, poncy (slang), arty-farty (informal), lah-di-dah (informal), niminy-piminy He waddled onto the stage with tiny mincing steps.


It's in the dictionary and is not a vulgar term..

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Shes not gay shes a transexual.

Well surely she must see herself as gay...if shes accusing harry of being homophobic towards her, no?

Unless she means just pete...but then my post just changes to 'Disliking a highly irritating gay person makes someone homophobic? Who would have thought it? '

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by parmnion

adjective affected, nice, camp (informal), precious, pretentious, dainty, sissy, effeminate, foppish, poncy (slang), arty-farty (informal), lah-di-dah (informal), niminy-piminy He waddled onto the stage with tiny mincing steps.


It's in the dictionary and is not a vulgar term..

You might want to look up that dictionary again.....

I did not say it was vulgar. I said some could take it as offensive.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well surely she must see herself as gay...if shes accusing harry of being homophobic towards her, no?

Unless she means just pete...but then my post just changes to 'Disliking a highly irritating gay person makes someone homophobic? Who would have thought it? '

Correct!

[Jamie.]

Ouch, the thing is, she has no right to call him Homophobic, she doesn't know him well enough.
Yes he was on TV, but she doesn't know him well at all.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by kazanne

they always trip themselves up

You still haven't responded to my original post.

Was there any need for you to use the term 'sheman', especially in a thread to do with discrimination?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Calling Aaron Shaaron for a laugh because of his feminate charactaristics is hardly as offensive as what you are calling lauren..You need to get a grip of what you post.A lot of people find that sort of thing really offensive.

What I find offensive is Lauren making up **** about somebody just to get herself noticed.

Laurence to not be on BB next year.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You still haven't responded to my original post.

Was there any need for you to use the term 'sheman', especially in a thread to do with discrimination?

I'd say that was pretty accurate, all things considered.

Not any different to posters referring to Aaron as Sharron..... yet I didn't see you ever find fault with that during the course?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by parmnion

His own fault for mincing about the place for nine weeks

Do you not understand that by saying that & refering to Aaron as 'Sharron' (as you are basically insinuating that he is gay) is offensive & could be construed as homophobic?

So it does seem rather ironic that you slate others for making transphobic comments...

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

Do you not understand that by saying that & refering to Aaron as 'Sharron' (as you are basically insinuating that he is gay) is offensive & could be construed as homophobic?

So it does seem rather ironic that you slate others for making transphobic comments...

Rubbish.


I'm saying he acts like a lady.