[jet]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

With the best will in the world jet, it does not matter how many times you ask me (or Aaron fans) this same question over and over again: it will not make any of us telepathic.

If you are so keen to know the answer to your question, go ask Aaron.... you know where his twitter is. If you aren't too sure, there is a thread on the first page on the forum that will take you right to it.
Why ask us when you can go straight to the Good Man himself.

It's fine. I have since discovered he has been asked the question many times on Twitter and didn't answer.

[jet]

No mention of the agreement on the winner story then. Hmmm....

[TallyHo]

Why don't Mr Waggot be a man and just say that Aaron deserves the money, and that Aaron should put it to good use in securing his sons future.

[StraightEdge695]

its aarons money

[Marmalite]

Originally Posted by jet

Something you might be missing out of this is the fact that Jay used to shout and bawl, curse Aaron to hell - to his face, and in areas that Aaron would overhear Jay doing so. Only after he did all that, would Jay have to go and talk to Aaron, usually the next day - because Aaron quite rightly, ignored a person like Jay, who would verbally abuse and threaten him. Why should Aaron not ignore an abusive person like that? I would (and do) the same thing.

What is more - Aaron coerced Jay into splitting the prize money after he got booed and Jay got cheered, so you have it all the wrong way round.

We clearly see things differently then.

You're still banging on about the money I see. But seeing as you are...... Jay has said numerous times that he doesn't want the money so if he had that much of a good heart and doesn't want it then why did he go on radio and slate Aaron for not handing it over yet and sit there while Louise bad mouthed Aaron about how he has broken his word (when they have no confirmation that Aaron has been given the money yet) and then lie in a tweet saying he didn't say that?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Marmalite

We clearly see things differently then.

You're still banging on about the money I see. But seeing as you are...... Jay has said numerous times that he doesn't want the money so if he had that much of a good heart and doesn't want it then why did he go on radio and slate Aaron for not handing it over yet and sit there while Louise bad mouthed Aaron about how he has broken his word (when they have no confirmation that Aaron has been given the money yet) and then lie in a tweet saying he didn't say that?

One last addition ..... after the birthday night: Jay himself swopped Aaron's perspex name plate, saying quite clearly that Aaron could have his share, that he did not want it. Not only did Jay say that, he also confirmed his words, by taking his own name plate off the board, and replacing it with Aaron's - as he said the words, "He can have it, I don't want the money".

Aaron was the one who put Jay's name back where it had been initially.

So it's very hypocritical for Jay, having called Aaron all the names under the sun, to NOW come across as thinking that Aaron is an alright bloke.....when he'd been doing not much else but berating, belittling and threatning Aaron time and time again in the last 2 wks of the show.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by jet

That is not correct. Aaron's first strop with Jay (when Jay referenced the film) happened when the wolfpack was alive and well, and Jay did exactly the same thing - tried to talk Aaron round in a mature way - but Aaron still refused to speak to him for days.

What is more - Aaron coerced Jay into splitting the prize money after he got booed and Jay got cheered, so you have it all the wrong way round.

Aaron mentioned that he and Harry had spoken about sharing the prize money. It was Jay who then grabbed the opportunity to apply this to himself and Aaron. In between a garbled account of something to do with 1st and 4th places (to be honest, I couldn't make out the nonsense that Jay was saying), what I did hear was Jay deciding that he and Aaron should share the money 20/30.

A reluctant and bemused Aaron was clearly trying to work out where this was going. Jay then thrust his sausage fingers in Aaron's face, demanding "they shake on it". This Aaron foolishly did. Therefore it was Aaron who was clearly coerced into this agreement, not Jay.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by calyman

Aaron mentioned that he and Harry had spoken about sharing the prize money. It was Jay who then grabbed the opportunity to apply this to himself and Aaron. In between a garbled account of something to do with 1st and 4th places (to be honest, I couldn't make out the nonsense that Jay was saying), what I did hear was Jay deciding that he and Aaron should share the money 20/30.

A reluctant and bemused Aaron was clearly trying to work out where this was going. Jay then thrust his sausage fingers in Aaron's face, demanding "they shake on it". This Aaron foolishly did. Therefore it was Aaron who was clearly coerced into this agreement, not Jay.

Correct. Aaron was relaying a story that he and Harry had had ...it was JAY who jumped in with the comment about "Aye we could do that, I'd agree to that if ye like" OWTTE.

Aaron was put in a very awkward situation, by the ever manipulatig Jay once again.... and I'd say that Aaron felt pressured to agree - especially given Jay's verbal threats against Aaron only days before. People do what they can in such circumstances to placate the aggressor - and that is what Aaron did. Effectively: he was coerced/forced into it imo.

That's my take on the whole situ.

As for Jay being nice: as I said earlier; Jay wasn't so nice on his radio interview in which he lied about what Aaron said....... why do I say he lied? Because his later tweet then denied he had ever said anything and made out that stories were untrue: and like all liars, Jay has not got a good enough memory to recall his radio interview and the comments he made about Aaron on there.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Correct. Aaron was relaying a story that he and Harry had had ...it was JAY who jumped in with the comment about "Aye we could do that, I'd agree to that if ye like" OWTTE.

Aaron was put in a very awkward situation, by the ever manipulatig Jay once again.... and I'd say that Aaron felt pressured to agree - especially given Jay's verbal threats against Aaron only days before. People do what they can in such circumstances to placate the aggressor - and that is what Aaron did. Effectively: he was coerced/forced into it imo.

That's my take on the whole situ.

As for Jay being nice: as I said earlier; Jay wasn't so nice on his radio interview in which he lied about what Aaron said....... why do I say he lied? Because his later tweet then denied he had ever said anything and made out that stories were untrue: and like all liars, Jay has not got a good enough memory to recall his radio interview and the comments he made about Aaron on there.

I don't think Aaron needed to agree to it, and prior threats from Jay shouldn't have had any effect at all. However, if he watches the show back, and sees the way Jay acted about him behind his back, then I think he has the right to say that the deal is off. Or alternatively, He could say that he wants Jays £15k, as jay promised, then give him back £20k minus £500.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't think Aaron needed to agree to it, and prior threats from Jay shouldn't have had any effect at all. However, if he watches the show back, and sees the way Jay acted about him behind his back, then I think he has the right to say that the deal is off. Or alternatively, He could say that he wants Jays £15k, as jay promised, then give him back £20k minus £500.

I understand where you are coming from and why you say that, I do. he didn't have to agree, but prior threats may still have clouded his judgement - we don't always make the best judgement when we are under pressure - regardless of which type of pressure.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't think Aaron needed to agree to it, and prior threats from Jay shouldn't have had any effect at all. However, if he watches the show back, and sees the way Jay acted about him behind his back, then I think he has the right to say that the deal is off. Or alternatively, He could say that he wants Jays £15k, as jay promised, then give him back £20k minus £500.

No that would just be silly.
If he is any type of man he will stand by his agreement i think he will but time will tell.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bobnot

No that would just be silly.
If he is any type of man he will stand by his agreement i think he will but time will tell.

Now, what about the fact that Jay himself stated (as has been quoted here several times), that Jay moved the nameplates and very clearly said that Aaron could have his money, that Jay did not want it.

thus, if Aaron keeps to his agreement,.... jay gets half the £50 winners prize, get's none of his allocated share that he said he didn't want.

If he is any type of man, he will stand by what HE said. I doubt he will.

Originally Posted by bobnot

No that would just be silly.
If he is any type of man he will stand by his agreement i think he will but time will tell.

I agree that he should have stood by his agreement, but I think if he watches it back first, he'll know that Jay really added to the Jemma drama unnecessarily, constantly made threats about and to Aaron at every opportunity. Belittled him whenever the chance arose, calling him "that" for example.

Jay promised his money to Aaron, if he is any kind of man, then he will also honour the agreement.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I understand where you are coming from and why you say that, I do. he didn't have to agree, but prior threats may still have clouded his judgement - we don't always make the best judgement when we are under pressure - regardless of which type of pressure.

Then just make your excuses and leave the situation, say you're desperate for the toilet or something. He was sitting nicely with, and chatting with Jay at the time, so I don't think "feeling threatened" is even a valid excuse.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I agree that he should have stood by his agreement,

OK sounds like you are agreeing with me.
+1 for jesus

Originally Posted by bobnot

OK sounds like you are agreeing with me.
+1 for jesus

I do to a point. I don't think people should generally renege on deals that have been made. But in Aarons position, if he watched the show back before he received his money, could I understand him not giving it to Jay? I could.

Aaron gives Jay £20k
Jay gives Aaron £15k
Aaron gives Louise £5k

Everything works out as it should.

Alex gives Tom and Aaron £10k each and they all live happily ever after bitching about each other in the press.

[Niamh.]

Or Aaron could give Jay 10K (minusing the 10 he's supposed to get) and let Jay get Aarons 5k from Alex to make up Aarons 10k?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Then just make your excuses and leave the situation, say you're desperate for the toilet or something. He was sitting nicely with, and chatting with Jay at the time, so I don't think "feeling threatened" is even a valid excuse.

I can't answer for Aaron, but I can give my view on it on what I my own subjective opinion is, which I have given, and provided my reasons why I have that opinion.

I'm not entirely sure what more you want me to say? If you want me to agree with you, I can't, because that's not what I believe.

We disagree on that point, that's it really.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Or Aaron could give Jay 10K (minusing the 10 he's supposed to get) and let Jay get Aarons 5k from Alex to make up Aarons 10k?

That's too simple. People would need it to be spelled out to them that Aaron had actually paid the money as agreed, it's just that Jay also owed him money. The long way round is the only way to show people what is happening.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I do to a point. I don't think people should generally renege on deals that have been made. But in Aarons position, if he watched the show back before he received his money, could I understand him not giving it to Jay? I could.

Aaron gives Jay £20k
Jay gives Aaron £15k
Aaron gives Louise £5k

Everything works out as it should.

Alex gives Tom and Aaron £10k each and they all live happily ever after bitching about each other in the press.

Jay couldn't give Aaron £15,000 He was down to £14500, and remember, that amount had to be put in the pot to be divvied up between all 5 of them.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's too simple. People would need it to be spelled out to them that Aaron had actually paid the money as agreed, it's just that Jay also owed him money. The long way round is the only way to show people what is happening.

A wee tad ironic here JHC, that you say 'people would need it spelled out to them.....' given my own reply to your calculations, which weren't right.

People can only presume so we are going over old ground. Not one thing has been proven about the money splits. Other than Jay gobbing off on a radio show about Aaron .... Jay said (verbatim) "He went back on his word".... and then admitted that Aaron had no clue what Jay intended doing with 'his' split of the Winner's monies.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I can't answer for Aaron, but I can give my view on it on what I my own subjective opinion is, which I have given, and provided my reasons why I have that opinion.

I'm not entirely sure what more you want me to say? If you want me to agree with you, I can't, because that's not what I believe.

We disagree on that point, that's it really.

Yeah I know it's just your opinion, as my posts are just my opinions. I don't want you to agree with me, I was just providing a counter argument as to why I don't think feeling threatened is valid.

It's OK to disagree with people, and we have a point of disagreement. No biggie.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Yeah I know it's just your opinion, as my posts are just my opinions. I don't want you to agree with me, I was just providing a counter argument as to why I don't think feeling threatened is valid.

It's OK to disagree with people, and we have a point of disagreement. No biggie.

I know that, as do you. But as I say, I don't know what else you want me to debate with about......because I've made it very clear why I have the view I have - as have you.

I concur that we agree to disagree!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

That's too simple. People would need it to be spelled out to them that Aaron had actually paid the money as agreed, it's just that Jay also owed him money. The long way round is the only way to show people what is happening.

Simple is better and this way Aaron doesn't need to worry about the others sticking to their agreement.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

A wee tad ironic here JHC, that you say 'people would need it spelled out to them.....' given my own reply to your calculations, which weren't right.

People can only presume so we are going over old ground. Not one thing has been proven about the money splits. Other than Jay gobbing off on a radio show about Aaron .... Jay said (verbatim) "He went back on his word".... and then admitted that Aaron had no clue what Jay intended doing with 'his' split of the Winner's monies.

A couple of posts up, I'd already addressed the £500 figures, this was just a quick run through of the process required.