[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Just keep in mind that popular speech doesn't need any protection whatsoever. It's the unpopular speech that needs to be protected.

I wondered how long it'd take the "free speech" lobbyists to show up.

You can have free speech within reason, but you cannot allow every ridiculous, offensive, half-baked thought that enters your head to spill out of your mouth if you want to live in a civilised society.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wondered how long it'd take the "free speech" lobbyists to show up.

You can have free speech within reason, but you cannot allow every ridiculous, offensive, half-baked thought that enters your head to spill out of your mouth if you want to live in a civilised society.

I think the societies with the most unrestricted free speech are the most civilized. The ones with the most regulated speech are the most uncivilized.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think the societies with the most unrestricted free speech are the most civilized. The ones with the most regulated speech are the most uncivilized.

You think that this woman was within her rights to act the way she did? You are, in all seriousness, defending the right of racists like her to voice their absurd opinions publically? And you think that a civilised society will stand for that? You need to do some reading. And some thinking.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Livia

You think that this woman was within her rights to act the way she did?

Absolutely. You tell me very specifically what this woman did to harm anyone? If all you can come up with is she offended people then that's pretty weak. People don't have the right to not be offended. If someone called you a slut would that be an arrestable offense?

Originally Posted by Livia

You are, in all seriousness, defending the right of racists like her to voice their absurd opinions publically? And you think that a civilised society will stand for that? You need to do some reading. And some thinking.

In a civilized society where freedom of speech is unrestricted when someone voices an absurd opinion, others are free to challenge it and respond to it. The white woman who yelled back at her is a good example. So it's not like there are no checks against ignorant speech.

If you can tell me with a straight face that what the woman did was an arrestable offense then I think you need to do some reading. Civilized society? Yeah right.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Absolutely. You tell me very specifically what this woman did to harm anyone? If all you can come up with is she offended people then that's pretty weak. People don't have the right to not be offended. If someone called you a slut would that be an arrestable offense?



In a civilized society where freedom of speech is unrestricted when someone voices an absurd opinion, others are free to challenge it and respond to it. The white woman who yelled back at her is a good example. So it's not like there are no checks against ignorant speech.

If you can tell me with a straight face that what the woman did was an arrestable offense then I think you need to do some reading. Civilized society? Yeah right.

The only person who needs to do some reading is you - on familiarising yourself with the Laws within the UK.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Absolutely. You tell me very specifically what this woman did to harm anyone? If all you can come up with is she offended people then that's pretty weak. People don't have the right to not be offended. If someone called you a slut would that be an arrestable offense?

No, I wouldn't be offended by slut. If someone called me a slut I'd think they were an idiot. But if they called me a filthy Jew, then I'd have their arse hauled into court so fast their head would spin. Get it? No, you don't... do you.

I have one more thing to say to you before I stick you on ignore with the rest of the people I think aren't worth wasting any time on. Concentrate now... Respect is the first and most basic of human rights. Think about it. Think hard.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, I wouldn't be offended by slut. If someone called me a slut I'd think they were an idiot. But if they called me a filthy Jew, then I'd have their arse hauled into court so fast their head would spin. Get it? No, you don't... do you.

I get that somewhere in your mind you're distinguishing saying something offensive with something that is racially offensive as if they are world's apart and two totally different things. In my mind, I see saying something that is offensive as saying something that is offensive whether it be racial or not. You can't arbitrarily decide what offensive speech is arrestable and what offensive speech isn't.

Originally Posted by Livia

I have one more thing to say to you before I stick you on ignore with the rest of the people I think aren't worth wasting any time on. Concentrate now... Respect is the first and most basic of human rights. Think about it. Think hard.

Respect other people's rights to their own opinions even if you grossly disagree with them. The fact that you would put me on ignore demonstrates how thin-skinned you are. I'd never put you on ignore as your posts seem to amuse me as do all other idiotic posts.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I get that somewhere in your mind you're distinguishing saying something offensive with something that is racially offensive as if they are world's apart and two totally different things. In my mind, I see saying something that is offensive as saying something that is offensive whether it be racial or not. You can't arbitrarily decide what offensive speech is arrestable and what offensive speech isn't.



Respect other people's rights to their own opinions even if you grossly disagree with them. The fact that you would put me on ignore demonstrates how thin-skinned you are. I'd never put you on ignore as your posts seem to amuse me as do all other idiotic posts.

When you have to resort to petty insults, you lose the argument. nighty night.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, I wouldn't be offended by slut. If someone called me a slut I'd think they were an idiot. But if they called me a filthy Jew, then I'd have their arse hauled into court so fast their head would spin. Get it? No, you don't... do you.

I have one more thing to say to you before I stick you on ignore with the rest of the people I think aren't worth wasting any time on. Concentrate now... Respect is the first and most basic of human rights. Think about it. Think hard.

USSR

Britain is completely backwards, and a dangerous Nanny State.

The Commie conditioning is disturbing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by letmein

USSR

Britain is completely backwards, and a dangerous Nanny State.

The Commie conditioning is disturbing.

Actually, the quote I made, and the one you highlighed and referred to by saying "USSR", was made by Charles Woodruff Yost. An... American.

I wouldn't mind Americans coming on here to metaphorically poke Brits with a stick if their own country was some kind of example to us all. Which it's not.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by letmein

USSR

Britain is completely backwards, and a dangerous Nanny State.

The Commie conditioning is disturbing.

Incorrect.

Like every other country in the world, we have complete and utter fruitcakes, nutjobs and idiots, racists, bigots and people who utterly ignorant on various levels - that doesn't make Britain backwards - it means we have some backward people living here, and such a minority does not maketh the entire country.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wondered how long it'd take the "free speech" lobbyists to show up.

You can have free speech within reason, but you cannot allow every ridiculous, offensive, half-baked thought that enters your head to spill out of your mouth if you want to live in a civilised society.

Actually if you look at my first post here, where I said "Wither Voltaire" I alluded to it but nobody picked it up.

It is the often quote mistakenly attributed to Voltaire, of I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

But then there is always

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to falsely shout fire in a crowded theatre

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Actually if you look at my first post here, where I said "Wither Voltaire" I alluded to it but nobody picked it up.

It is the often quote mistakenly attributed to Voltaire, of I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it

But then there is always

Freedom of speech does not entitle one to falsely shout fire in a crowded theatre

I didn't see your initial post, Sticks.

Your second a quote here about shouting fire in a crowded theatre kind of sums it up, I think. Although there are those on this thread who labour to grasp such an obvious point... and I imagine they know who they are.