[lostalex]

The west is not involved in the most deaths and bloodshed.

The arabs kill eachother far more. The arabs kill eachother far more than the west kills arabs in these wars. Look at how many women are raped and murded by their husbands, or by their families in "honour kilings" or most of the civilian casualties by arab terrorists killing other arabs in markets and roadside bombs.

Anyone who says the west is more violent than the arabs is an idiot.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

The west is not involved in the most deaths and bloodshed.

The arabs kill eachother far more. The arabs kill eachother far more than the west kills arabs in these wars. Look at how many women are raped and murded by their husbands, or by their families in "honour kilings" or most of the civilian casualties by arab terrorists killing other arabs in markets and roadside bombs.

Anyone who says the west is more violent than the arabs is an idiot.

Some people would claim that 1.5m civilians have died since the start of the Iraq war as a result of the invasion, you can't blame "the Arabs" for that, it is Britain and American who are responsible

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Some people would claim that 1.5m civilians have died since the start of the Iraq war as a result of the invasion, you can't blame "the Arabs" for that, it is Britain and American who are responsible

sorry, but you are wrong. That vast majority of civilian deaths are caused by the terrorists (taliban and al-quaeda) not by the NATO forces.

Even Amnesty International would admit that.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

sorry, but you are wrong. That vast majority of civilian deaths are caused by the terrorists (taliban and al-quaeda) not by the NATO forces.

Even Amnesty International would admit that.

Ah that would be the same Taliban that we were supporting under a different name 20/30 years or so ago right? And you're missing the point, even if it wasn't British or American forces who pulled the trigger, that huge civilian death toll has come about because of the invasion, war causes deaths if you hadn't realised

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ah that would be the same Taliban that we were supporting under a different name 20/30 years or so ago right? And you're missing the point, even if it wasn't British or American forces who pulled the trigger, that huge civilian death toll has come about because of the invasion, war causes deaths if you hadn't realised

No, the huge civilian death tooll came about because these countries cannot govern themselves. We invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban (the ruling government at the time) did absolutely nothing to stop al-queada planning the 9/11 attacks. If these countries cannot stop their own people from planning attacks on America then America has every right to try to stop them.

Please don't pretend that these countries were any better before we got there.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

No, the huge civilian death tooll came about because these countries cannot govern themselves. We invaded Afghanistan because the Taliban (the ruling government at the time) did absolutely nothing to stop al-queada planning the 9/11 attacks. If these countries cannot stop their own people from planning attacks on America then America has every right to try to stop them.

Please don't pretend that these countries were any better before we got there.

Afghanistan is a pointless war that will never be won, we're only going to see continued ongoing fighting and bloodshed, I would have hoped that history had shown us that with Britain's attempts at invasion before, and the USSR's

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Afghanistan is a pointless war that will never be won, we're only going to see continued ongoing fighting and bloodshed, I would have hoped that history had shown us that with Britain's attempts at invasion before, and the USSR's

i guess yur right, we should just say F all afghans, and let them rot. because if Uk and Russia failed, that must mean they are incapable of redemption??

what a horrible and pessimistic view of the world you have. i;'m glad yu arn't my parent.