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View Poll Results: Was the Big Man right or wrong to throw the boy off the train? | ||||||
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14-12-2011, 06:29 PM | #376 | ||
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Im pretty damn sure this guy wasnt the first to dodge the fair and refuse to leave the train. But I would think he is probably the first where the conductor gave free reign to other passengers to assault him. At least I would hope the second scenario wasnt common.
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14-12-2011, 06:29 PM | #377 | |||
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No Your a Good Lady I am sure you are fine. But that Ticket Old Boy may have had weapons pointed at him more than younger you Last edited by arista; 14-12-2011 at 06:29 PM. |
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14-12-2011, 06:31 PM | #378 | ||
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Does that mean if I hear someone say **** while i'm out and about I can throw them in front of a car or beat them down? |
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14-12-2011, 06:31 PM | #379 | ||
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Still, this does not mean that every youngster is carrying a knife. And it would be ridiculous of the conductor to assume that. if he is seriously that paranoid, he shouldnt be at work anyway, he must be a nervous wreck if he thinks every teen is going to stab him.
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14-12-2011, 06:32 PM | #380 | ||
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Actually, you will find that he (the passenger) does have to follow rules. The terms and conditions of using public tranport - and are often posted around in respect of fare dodging: makes procedures very clear as to what is required when you use such mode of transport, what is expected when ticket inspector come on board, and of the consequences. If he uses a mode of transport - he should be aware of the T&Cs of carriager prior to embarking. Last edited by Pyramid*; 14-12-2011 at 06:32 PM. |
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14-12-2011, 06:33 PM | #381 | ||
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One would assume that someone in a position of power/a work, would follow procedure and do things the right way...no?
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14-12-2011, 06:35 PM | #382 | ||
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Basically what we have learned from this thread...is that contrary to popular belief... two (or three) wrongs DO make a right. And that swearing or dodging train fares means you should be assaulted/the person who assaults you is the one in the right.
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14-12-2011, 06:35 PM | #383 | |||
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No it does not but the Punk Scammer was Swearing a great deal in front of children so thats on the way to a attack - From Rail Staff Last edited by arista; 14-12-2011 at 06:36 PM. |
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14-12-2011, 06:37 PM | #384 | ||
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He created the situation. I'm not perturbed in the slightest if you are surprised or flabbergasted at my views - or not - they are my views regardless. If that has some impact on your thoughts on my views - it has no bearing on me whatsover. |
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14-12-2011, 06:41 PM | #385 | ||
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It hardly matters who creates the situation what's more important is how it's resolved and for a fully trained professional he did a piss poor job. Oh I said piss, does that mean a fat tub of lard should come to my house and beat my head in now? |
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14-12-2011, 06:43 PM | #386 | ||
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I've stated several times over that the conductor could have handled the matter differently: I also gave reasons for considation as to why he did not do so. Quote:
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14-12-2011, 06:45 PM | #387 | ||
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It mattered - ie the situation - when in your earlier post you were keen to assign blame to only the conductor. Quote:
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14-12-2011, 06:50 PM | #388 | ||
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Therefor those saying the big guy was in the right, think its fine to assault someone who is swearing and being rude
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14-12-2011, 06:51 PM | #389 | ||
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oh fack off
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The 'big man' says 'do you want me to remove him?' or something along those lines, the conductor quite clearly says 'yes', and thus he is giving permission to another passenger to commit an assault, permission of which he doesn't have the power to give and had he be doing his job properly, he wouldn't have given any. |
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14-12-2011, 06:53 PM | #390 | ||
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If they feel assault has taken place, I'd expect them to charge Mr Pollock with said crime, and see what the outcome is thereafter. Until then, I'm maintaining my stance. *digs heels in* Verbal abuse is not the same as verbal assault. Last edited by Pyramid*; 14-12-2011 at 06:54 PM. |
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14-12-2011, 06:54 PM | #391 | ||
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As for me 'changing stance' I've been blaming the conductor for ages, do keep up Pyramid. Maybe if you read people's posts in full instead of ignoring points you can't win against you wouldn't slip up so much. Last edited by Tom4784; 14-12-2011 at 06:55 PM. |
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14-12-2011, 06:58 PM | #392 | ||
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As for the rest...if the complaint is not withdrawn...and the guy IS charged with assault...will you accept then that it was assault? Or will you be saying the police are wrong so that you can continue with this argument?
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14-12-2011, 06:59 PM | #393 | |||
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filthy mudblood
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14-12-2011, 07:00 PM | #394 | ||
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Is what a joke: what precisely Jack? That I hold a different view from you - no, that's no joke. The Big Man says, " Do you want me to get him off for you". The conductor replies Yes. He didn't ask or invite or request or incite any violent act. The T&Cs of rail travel are clear: he was abusive, and he was removed. Not perhaps by the best means - but that is what happened. |
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14-12-2011, 07:03 PM | #395 | ||
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Pretty sure the T&Cs dont mention 'if you fail to provide a ticket a random other passenger will be allowed to intervene and throw you off the train with much more force than necessary'. I would imagine they might say something about the police being called/transport police though
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14-12-2011, 07:05 PM | #396 | ||
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'Why I filmed train ticket row'14 December 2011 Last updated at 10:00 Help ScotRail have said they are investigating after an alleged fare-dodger was removed from a train by a member of the public. Click to see interview of guy who filmed..... the yobs abuse had been going on for some time
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16173835 Vicky:what you have asked was coverd by Shasown some time back, the wording states 'Generally'. Last edited by Pyramid*; 14-12-2011 at 07:07 PM. |
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14-12-2011, 07:15 PM | #397 | |||
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R.I.P Kerry x
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My god. 16 pages of you lot rewording your same points over and over again
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14-12-2011, 07:16 PM | #398 | |||
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I saw the "lad" on the news being all reasonable. A very different attitude to the one he had on the train. He didn't try to explain, he effed and blinded at the conductor who was there doing a job. Nice. Whatever they're paying the ticket chap it isn't enough to have some twat-in-a-hat talk to him like he's a piece of crap. Maybe if his attitude had been like the attitude he suddenly seems to have adopted for the TV cameras, the matter would have been cleared up in seconds.
It amazes me that people think his attitude demanded some kind of special treatment and respect from a person doing a job when it was clear there was not one iota of respect coming from the "lad". Next time he might consider a) buying a ticket or b) explaining himself without being abusive and obnoxious. |
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14-12-2011, 07:28 PM | #399 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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14-12-2011, 07:28 PM | #400 | ||
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