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21-12-2011, 07:37 PM | #651 | ||
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It could be due to the publicity that this has received that it has been decided between all relevant authorities, that it be dealt with by the PF directly due to the public interest - - rather than several fingers in the pie - and nothing to do with anything being 'ropey'. |
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21-12-2011, 07:49 PM | #652 | |||
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Call it an educated guess, or better yet call it my opinion, I do believe I am allowed to post that on these forums. It normally happens when the person accused of a crime doesnt make a statement to the police, or the police have a few potential charges they can use, bearing in mind for every charge they do raise against someone they have several forms to fill in (thats from experience). Your turn.... Besides PF doesnt become involved technically until after the intial police investigation, they can then redirect the police to investigate areas of uncertainty, its a legal thing about the inital investigation being fair and unbiased to all parties by the way. (So the police cant be accused of being a prosecuting force, well thats what it says in my notes ) Mind you saying that my educated guesses have been a whole lot more accurate than your opinions so far, didnt you say Pollock didnt commit any assault? Well in your opinion, that is, slightly different opinion to mine, oh and the British Transport Police. Last edited by Shasown; 21-12-2011 at 07:55 PM. |
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21-12-2011, 07:57 PM | #653 | ||
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I said that as far as I was concerned, the big man didn't assault anyone. He's not been found guilty of that charge as yet. Remember that basic premise you mentioned earlier: innocent until proven guilty. Last edited by Pyramid*; 21-12-2011 at 07:59 PM. |
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21-12-2011, 08:24 PM | #654 | ||
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21-12-2011, 08:25 PM | #655 | ||||
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Not according to British Transport Police, Shame that eh? Afer all they deal with enforcement of the law and investigating potential breaches of the law, What the hell do they know? Quote:
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Well I know you wont because you cant seem to be seen as having been worng and you wont back down eh? Or even acknowledging someone with more knowledge in a certain field eh? Lets just say a slightly more educated opinion in legal matters than your good self. I do remember it, funny old thing I mentioned it to you as you seemed to have totally forgotten it. Its a pity the British Transport Police think the balance of probabilities is that he did assault someone thats why they have charged him with assault. |
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21-12-2011, 09:17 PM | #656 | ||
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Let's not kid on that you're some legal eagle - you aren't. He can be charged from here to high heaven and back, the fact remains that as at this point in time, he has not been found guilty as yet. |
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21-12-2011, 09:18 PM | #657 | |||
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His blood is bad.
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We're still talking about this?
really?
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21-12-2011, 09:19 PM | #658 | ||
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21-12-2011, 10:46 PM | #659 | |||
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Trying to put words into my mouth now Pyr? Nah if you start charging people with offences then sstart changing them or dropping them and reinstating either them or others, a good solicitor (even a lousy one really) will show that the PF or investigation is more of a fishing trip than a legal procedure. No he hasnt been found guilty yet, but lets face it, he admitted to a witness he knew he could end up in trouble with the law for the actions he carried out. We dont know what he said in his defence to the police while being interviewed, but lets face it the video is sort of damning. One other point to consider, because of the video and his comment to the teacher I think which ever solicitor represents him will probably advise him to plead guilty, at the earliest possible time during the various diets and get the minimum sentence the mitigation is there, in the fact it was morally right. Last edited by Shasown; 21-12-2011 at 10:51 PM. |
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21-12-2011, 10:58 PM | #660 | ||
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I'm not saying he won't be found guilty: if he is, I suspect that there will be charges brought against Main also. I do honestly find it difficult to believe that they will charge Pollock and not Main. I think if they do one they will do it with both - charges may still be placed against Main - and if the PF does decide to prosecute: I do believe it will be both of them. My own view is that either both are punished or neither are. That to me, would be fair and reasonable: all things considered and taking all things into account. Hopefully the PF will see it the same way. |
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The trespass allegation will cover either travelling without a valid ticket or If Main was able to give some reasonable semblance of an excuse for not having a valid ticket for travel at the time he was travelling, failing to comply with the requests of the conductor. As for the section 38's there are excuses already mentioned, the fact he claims to be diabetic, a good medical excuse allows for what would be classed as unreasonable behaviour in a normal person to be accepted as exceptional behaviour. Dont think he will get away with the shouting and swearing though. Thats if the PF actually prosecute. Bearing in mind, what has been quoted in the media as his comments can easily be denied in court. PF is in a no win situation with both cases. Last edited by Shasown; 21-12-2011 at 11:24 PM. |
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