[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..not sure I agree, the word 'celebrity' would suggest they have a talent, ability, gift which is celebrated....being married to a celebrity or entering a popular talent contest may get you talked about but that doesn't make you a celebrity. I would say a Z lister is someone who has very minimum talent and success..not someone who has attracted gossip

Dont forget to mention that Frankie hasnt even released music.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Dont forget to mention that Frankie hasnt even released music.

..you just did JF....

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Scott

this thread is about how amazing alanis is keep on topic or leave

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Dont forget to mention that Frankie hasnt even released music.

He's not really done much in the way of very successfully singing anything musically either really....... tee hee.... so going on that, I categorise him as a non celeb.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..you just did JF....

[Jords]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Z-List: Brian Dowling, Stacey Solomon

Disagree there, both have had recent/current decent presenting roles, plus Stacey is also working on an album.

They are reality TV stars that have developed, both C-Lists.

Edit: Sing If You Can was Stacey's btw with Keith Lemon

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Jack_

A-list (worldwide famous)
Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Simon Cowell

B-list (UK famous)
Ant and Dec, Dermot O'Leary, Chris Moyles

C-list (known only to a smaller group of people)
Joe McElderry, Russell Howard, Nick Grimshaw

Z-list (famous through reality TV, i.e. to a small audience of people)
Frankie Cocozza, Brian Belo, Josie Gibson

Stole a few names from this thread because I couldn't think of many examples. Z-list is a tricky one, as sometimes you could say some of those people overlap into categories like C and B-list, but never A-list. I don't like it when people say people like Frankie Cocozza aren't celebrities or whatever though, because they are, and to suggest they're not would be stupid. If you are known by a fairly large number of people (no, that doesn't count circles of friends before someone mentions that) and through the media then you're a famous celebrity. Most X Factor contestants become celebrities overnight because of how popular the show is, if you mention their names to people most of them will know who they are, perhaps for the wrong reasons yes, but they're still a celebrity nonetheless.

Love this! Also people have to realise, a 'celebrity' is something entirely different from an artist or an actor or a performer. The Kardashians are 'celebrities' while someone like Adele who has a form of celebrity is an artist. I completely agree with you, people from reality tv shows do become celebrities of some sort or another, although a select few manage and rightedly deserve to move up from the Z-list.

[MTVN]

I don't think being a celebrity is about talent, it's about how relevant they are and how prominent a figure they are in the public eye. I'd measure it more by reputation and money because those are good indicators of how interested the public are in them so:

A List: Huge stars in the music and entertainment industry at the present time, household names like Gaga, Di Caprio etc.

B List: Those who have enjoyed a large amount of success but it's still quite possible not to have really heard of them, and those whos best days are behind them, I'd say Michael Madsen is in this category

C List: Those who's fame is mainly on a domestic level, or who haven't enjoyed a huge amount of fame as of yet, I'd probably say this includes TV presenters like Ben Shephard, Jimmy Carr and some actors and musicians like Dappy from N-Dubz

Z List: Those who are only really enjoying what's bound to be short lived fame, people who've had a one hit wonder song, or won Big Brother, something like that

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I don't think being a celebrity is about talent, it's about how relevant they are and how prominent a figure they are in the public eye. I'd measure it more by reputation and money because those are good indicators of how interested the public are in them so:

A List: Huge stars in the music and entertainment industry at the present time, household names like Gaga, Di Caprio etc.

B List: Those who have enjoyed a large amount of success but it's still quite possible not to have really heard of them, and those whos best days are behind them, I'd say Michael Madsen is in this category

C List: Those who's fame is mainly on a domestic level, or who haven't enjoyed a huge amount of fame as of yet, I'd probably say this includes TV presenters like Ben Shephard, Jimmy Carr and some actors and musicians like Dappy from N-Dubz

Z List: Those who are only really enjoying what's bound to be short lived fame, people who've had a one hit wonder song, or won Big Brother, something like that

That's a fair description, although I still struggle with Frankie as his main fame is for being thrown off a reality show

[InOne]

I'd honestly never heard of Frankie before BB 0_0

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by InOne

I'd honestly never heard of Frankie before BB 0_0

Do you watch XFactor?

[MTVN]

Yeah I'd say Frankie is definitely Z List, even though he might be quite well known atm his fame will never really extend beyond Reality TV fans and it won't last long after CBB, even if he does well

[Doogle]

This is really late but:

Alanis Morisette > all

[chid646]

Alanis Morissette does have some acting under her belt also pretty impressive imdb page

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001551/