[dyfed]

Originally Posted by the truth

why are you more concerned with her cruelty towards him? has she studied him and his dislikes the way you expect him to read up on her?

He didnt have to read up on her..she spoke about it openly in the house.......

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

shes the cruel one, shes hit michael , shes bullied , stalked, abused and threatened him for weeks. the bb producers failed to warn her then as they should have , shame on them. also listen to her lies about him as she turns the house against him. she also blamed him totally for all the arguments in her nomination, she apologised to the twins but went to town on hatcheting michaels character. maybe if he cried and got drunk and took his kit off and stalked denise and screamed abuse at her and threatened her you would have more respect for him? crazy

Erm she didnt blame Michael entirely for the arguing AT ALL!! Michael however blamed her for everything in his nomination.

Watch this video please because what you post does not even match what actually happened.

It was also very very insensitive to call someone with depression emotionally disturbed.

Heres the video of thenominations: She did not blame him for everything if anything shes doing it for the good of the house as the arguments are causing an atmosphere.

Youtube video

[Tanser_Man]

I've seen the video and you could take it either way.

Yes she didn't say alot wrong to him but he has more wrong to say so.... of course he could have and did!!!

[the truth]

michael says the truth....in the week of the legendary muhammad alis birthday heres one of his poems about truth , it relates well to the BB house

TRUTH

The face of truth is open,
The eyes of truth are bright,
The lips of truth are ever closed,
The head of truth is upright.

The breast of truth stands forward,
The gaze of truth is straight,
Truth has neither fear nor doubt,
Truth has patience to wait.

The words of truth are touching,
The voice of truth is deep,
The law of truth is simple:
All that you sow you reap.

The soul of truth is flaming,
The heart of truth is warm,
The mind of truth is clear,
And firm through rain or storm.

Facts are but its shadows,
Truth stands above all sin;
Great be the battle in life,
Truth in the end shall win.

The image of truth is Christ,
Wisdom's message its rod;
Sign of truth is the cross,
Soul of truth is God.

Life of truth is eternal,
Immortal is its past,
Power of truth will endure,
Truth shall hold to the last.

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm she didnt blame Michael entirely for the arguing AT ALL!! Michael however blamed her for everything in his nomination.

Watch this video please because what you post does not even match what actually happened.

It was also very very insensitive to call someone with depression an emotional wreck

Heres the video of thenominations: She did not blame him for everything if anything shes doing it for the good of the house as the arguments are causing an atmosphere.

Youtube video

Some don't want to know "THE TRUTH" even if you show them.....

[the truth]

Originally Posted by dyfed

He didnt have to read up on her..she spoke about it openly in the house.......

hes not in there to psycho analyse her...the BB producers should have taken care of that situation when she was drunkenly abusing michael in the first place

[the truth]

Originally Posted by dyfed

Some don't want to know "THE TRUTH" even if you show them.....

sad. you didnt even take time to read the poem. I on the other hand have seen the video umpteen times

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by the truth

sad. you didnt even take time to read the poem. I on the other hand have seen the video umpteen times

Well if you have seen the video you would see Denise DID NOT blame Michael for everything in her nomination but he did with her. Denise said SHE rubs HIM up the wrong way so she took responsibility there.

You said she blamed him for everything when that didnt happen so if you have seen the video i dont understand why you would post something which is not true and can be proven to be incorrect by watching that video.

Im baffled

[dyfed]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Well if you have seen the video you would see Denise DID NOT blame Michael for everything in her nomination but he did with her.

You said she blamed him for everything when that didnt happen so if you have seen the video i dont understand why you would post something which is not true and can be proven to be incorrect by watching that video.

Im baffled

Me too.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Michaels coming accross badly in regards to the arguments with Georgia and Denise tonight but i did actually respect him for thinking of his career outside the house and not doing a George Galloway lol

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Erm she didnt blame Michael entirely for the arguing AT ALL!! Michael however blamed her for everything in his nomination.

Watch this video please because what you post does not even match what actually happened.

It was also very very insensitive to call someone with depression emotionally disturbed.

Heres the video of thenominations: She did not blame him for everything if anything shes doing it for the good of the house as the arguments are causing an atmosphere.

Youtube video

A MAN of principles, so refreshing Daniel

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Michaels coming accross badly in regards to the arguments with Georgia and Denise tonight but i did actually respect him for thinking of his career outside the house and not doing a George Galloway lol

What respect does he deserve? none whatsoever, I pity his poor wife

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

What respect does he deserve? none whatsoever, I pity his poor wife

I respected him for not intentionally wanting to make a fool out of himself on tv for the sake of his kids and his career but he has unintentionally made himself look bad aswell.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

I respected him for not intentionally wanting to make a fool out of himself on tv for the sake of his kids and his career but he has unintentionally made himself look bad aswell.

He showed his true colours, and Thank God it cost him winning CBB

[WATERS]

Michael is already the winner of this competition.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by WATERS

Michael is already the winner of this competition.

In your dreams

[WATERS]

You must have mental health problems to think otherwise.

[sl3ptsolong]

I feel this is the bigger picture. Michael has stood up infront of the people he has been living with and has emotional attachments with and not to mention the whole of the UK and called her 'mentally disturbed'. Michael is seriously detached from reality if he thinks this is ok in context. He complains about people whispering behind peoples backs but in the whole of the show nobody has said anything as bad as that.... and it wasnt even behind her back! How can you recover any relationship with actions like that? No wonder wars start with people like Michael around.

Michaels character is a one man army so I can understand why he has such a narrow mindset. He just sits and thinks by himself conjuring up what he thinks is happening. Most people have friends to talk to and discuss things which creates emotional attachments and bonding. Michael rarely interacts like this and has therefore created social suicide in the house.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by sl3ptsolong

I feel this is the bigger picture. Michael has stood up infront of the people he has been living with and has emotional attachments with and not to mention the whole of the UK and called her 'mentally disturbed'. Michael is seriously detached from reality if he thinks this is ok in context. He complains about people whispering behind peoples backs but in the whole of the show nobody has said anything as bad as that.... and it wasnt even behind her back! How can you recover any relationship with actions like that? No wonder wars start with people like Michael around.

Michaels character is a one man army so I can understand why he has such a narrow mindset. He just sits and thinks by himself conjuring up what he thinks is happening. Most people have friends to talk to and discuss things which creates emotional attachments and bonding. Michael rarely interacts like this and has therefore created social suicide in the house.

he did not say mentally he said emotionaally, so start again

[Jake.]

Calling someone who suffers with depression emotionally disturbed is a no go. And TheTruth, some of the things you said in your post at the top of the page were not true (such as Denise pinning the argument fully on Michael) so why dont YOU start again?

[Angus]

Originally Posted by JH95

Calling someone who suffers with depression emotionally disturbed is a no go. And TheTruth, some of the things you said in your post at the top of the page were not true (such as Denise pinning the argument fully on Michael) so why dont YOU start again?

Michael is also someone who suffers with depression, is a recovering alcoholic and has battled with his own demons for years. In this sadly politically correct country we now live in we are not allowed to speak the truth for fear of "offending" someone, somewhere. In America they still believe in the right to speak the truth and Michael did not say anything that was slanderous or untrue. I am totally baffled by the outcry. Denise KNOWS she is emotionally disturbed - we KNOW she is emotionally disturbed, her family and friends KNOW she is emotionally disturbed, so what's the big secret. It's precisely because of ridiculous OTT reactions to the voicing of a truth that such issues are swept under the carpet, and talked about in hushed tones. All that attitude does is stigmatise the issue and stifle proper debate.

Denise needs to wake up and smell the coffee, get herself some help, and get her life sorted out. She has come on CBB and showed us that she is indeed emotionally disturbed, and to be fair to her, she should never have been allowed on the show in the first place. It's not as if she hasn't ample past form to alert the producers to her problems, but all they were interested in was car crash tv. I hope they're proud of themselves, having effectively made Denise a) a figure of pity and scorn and b) a laughing stock.

As for the impact she has had on Michael's experience on the show, I believe she has completely ruined it and stifled him as a HM. The guy has his own emotional baggage and does not need to be in a house with someone who at 53 years of age has still not learnt to deal with her problems. Michael has, but I get the sense he has to do it on a daily basis, and having some old soak constantly in his face, reminding him of how it could be with him if he didn't work on it every minute, is not fair to him either.

What I find the most despicable about the whole situation is the way that Denise has manipulated the house to turn against Michael, since they are clearly unaware of all the occasions she has hunted him down, and confronted him one on one (no audience), then carefully fed the house her edited version of events in which Michael is always the monster. Having successfully wound him up privately, he of course will be grumpy, annoyed and snap at her, so she can then turn to the others, bat her eyelids, squeeze out some tears and say "I don't know what I've done"..."why doesn't he like me"....."I don't know why he's being so mean to me.....". blah, blah.

Michael is totally right about Denise - she is severely emotionally disturbed and if people don't want to hear that, then tough. I feel sorry for her actually because people constantly being in denial on her behalf are enabling her to continue on her path to self destruction, as she conveniently assumes that her actions are acceptable to them. It's totally wrong to crucify Michael for pointing out what her nearest and dearest should have a long, long time ago.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Well if you have seen the video you would see Denise DID NOT blame Michael for everything in her nomination but he did with her. Denise said SHE rubs HIM up the wrong way so she took responsibility there.

You said she blamed him for everything when that didnt happen so if you have seen the video i dont understand why you would post something which is not true and can be proven to be incorrect by watching that video.

Im baffled

It's only recently that Denise has taken some of the blame. Before this she was laying the blame on Michael. The two times she woke him from sleeping she had asked the other housemates to leave the room so they weren't witness to her drunken, aggressive behaviour, threats to hit and the pathetic challenge on who's the better actor.

It's only in the last few days that he's retaliated, after over a week of constant drunken badgering.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Angus

Michael is also someone who suffers with depression, is a recovering alcoholic and has battled with his own demons for years. In this sadly politically correct country we now live in we are not allowed to speak the truth for fear of "offending" someone, somewhere. In America they still believe in the right to speak the truth and Michael did not say anything that was slanderous or untrue. I am totally baffled by the outcry. Denise KNOWS she is emotionally disturbed - we KNOW she is emotionally disturbed, her family and friends KNOW she is emotionally disturbed, so what's the big secret. It's precisely because of ridiculous OTT reactions to the voicing of a truth that such issues are swept under the carpet, and talked about in hushed tones. All that attitude does is stigmatise the issue and stifle proper debate.

Denise needs to wake up and smell the coffee, get herself some help, and get her life sorted out. She has come on CBB and showed us that she is indeed emotionally disturbed, and to be fair to her, she should never have been allowed on the show in the first place. It's not as if she hasn't ample past form to alert the producers to her problems, but all they were interested in was car crash tv. I hope they're proud of themselves, having effectively made Denise a) a figure of pity and scorn and b) a laughing stock.

As for the impact she has had on Michael's experience on the show, I believe she has completely ruined it and stifled him as a HM. The guy has his own emotional baggage and does not need to be in a house with someone who at 53 years of age has still not learnt to deal with her problems. Michael has, but I get the sense he has to do it on a daily basis, and having some old soak constantly in his face, reminding him of how it could be with him if he didn't work on it every minute, is not fair to him either.

What I find the most despicable about the whole situation is the way that Denise has manipulated the house to turn against Michael, since they are clearly unaware of all the occasions she has hunted him down, and confronted him one on one (no audience), then carefully fed the house her edited version of events in which Michael is always the monster. Having successfully wound him up privately, he of course will be grumpy, annoyed and snap at her, so she can then turn to the others, bat her eyelids, squeeze out some tears and say "I don't know what I've done"..."why doesn't he like me"....."I don't know why he's being so mean to me.....". blah, blah.

Michael is totally right about Denise - she is severely emotionally disturbed and if people don't want to hear that, then tough. I feel sorry for her actually because people constantly being in denial on her behalf are enabling her to continue on her path to self destruction, as she conveniently assumes that her actions are acceptable to them. It's totally wrong to crucify Michael for pointing out what her nearest and dearest should have a long, long time ago.

Agree with this post, especially the part in bold.

[scary-mary]

Cannot stand Denise. She is a disgrace. Keep telling it how it is Michael !
( Dislike Natalie as well)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Angus

Michael is also someone who suffers with depression, is a recovering alcoholic and has battled with his own demons for years. In this sadly politically correct country we now live in we are not allowed to speak the truth for fear of "offending" someone, somewhere.. etc. etc. etc.

Great post Angus, agree completely.