[Jack_]

I'm sorry but there's some utterly barbaric suggestions being thrown about with out any care or thought whatsoever in this thread.

Those who suggest capital punishment, someone to rape him or anything of the like are just as bad as the guy himself and you are lowering yourself to his disgusting actions. Yes, we all know this is a truly revolting crime, and the punishment should be a lot harsher, but why is it that everyone is always so quick to jump up and call out for some of the most oddest, hypocritical punishments possible...it's like some sort of mob.

I agree with whoever said he needs to be kept away to protect the public's safety for as long as possible though, these types of issues don't go away overnight.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I agree with whoever said he needs to be kept away to protect the public's safety for as long as possible though, these types of issues don't go away overnight.

"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense .....

[Tom4784]

I'm glad that half the people in this thread ranting about violent punishments will never know a lick of power. If you fight fire with fire everyone ends up getting burned.

The law only works when it's held to a higher standard then the people it's judging, if any of the punishments people reccommended were actually implemented then how would that make us any better then criminals? The only difference between would be a misplaced sense of self righteousness.

You can always tell what a person is like by how they treat their lessers, not their equals.

Originally Posted by Omah

"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense .....

It's a special kind of evil that would extinguish a life just for the sake of money when other options are readily available.


As I said before, if it as upto me I'd give him a longer sentence but would have made sure he got some sort of psychological care so that he's not a danger to anyone else when he is eventually released.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm glad that half the people in this thread ranting about violent punishments will never know a lick of power. If you fight fire with fire everyone ends up getting burned.

OTOH, getting "touchy-feely" with psychotic sex-offenders is misguided, naive and futile .....

The law only works when it's held to a higher standard then the people it's judging, if any of the punishments people reccommended were actually implemented then how would that make us any better then criminals? The only difference between would be a misplaced sense of self righteousness.

IMO, it's a question of economics not misplaced idealism and morality .....

You can always tell what a person is like by how they treat their lessers, not their equals.

What about their "betters"?

It's a special kind of evil that would extinguish a life just for the sake of money when other options are readily available.

The resources for the "other options" would be better used for law-abiding citizens .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I said before, if it as upto me I'd give him a longer sentence but would have made sure he got some sort of psychological care so that he's not a danger to anyone else when he is eventually released.

Why waste money on violent criminals who will never change ?

It would be better spent on the casualties of war .....

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Dezzy, I'm a very forgiving person and always try to see good in people and I do think people are entitled to a fair hearing, but are you honestly saying you wouldn't feel vengeance if your own grandma was forcefully buggered by some evil little bastard?

This isn't about me, iif you want to have a discussion about crime and punishment you have to put your emotions to one side otherwise your points will always be tainted by your emotional response.

Originally Posted by Omah

OTOH, getting "touchy-feely" with psychotic sex-offenders is misguided, naive and futile .....

I see, just because I don't share your, quite frankly disturbing, bloodlust I must be some sort of soft type who goes around hugging rapists and murderers.

Good logic.

Originally Posted by Omah

IMO, it's a question of economics not misplaced idealism and morality .....

Okay then let's live in your proposed world for a moment, in order to save money we kill the most vile of criminals, we then decide to save more money by then killing thieves, thugs, people with parking tickets ETC. If the Law is ruled by finance then it'll ultimately be ruled by greed in the end.

Originally Posted by Omah

What about their "betters"?

But what about the Better's lesser's equals?

It's not difficult to throw out some cryptic meaningless crap to avoid a point.

Originally Posted by Omah

The resources for the "other options" would be better used for law-abiding citizens .....

Because it's cheaper to simply imprison criminals? Your whole point about executions being a better option financially is ultimately flawed. In America it costs a lot more to execute someone then it would to imprison them since you have to go through years of appeals and court actions before you can execute anyone. It's cheaper to simply imprison someone and try to rehabilitate them so they aren't a danger to the public when (or if) they are released.

Originally Posted by Omah

Why waste money on violent criminals who will never change ?

Like I said before it'd be a bigger waste of money to execute them. If you're going to imprison someone it's worth trying to rehabilitate them since it's better to try and fail then not to try at all. Not every Jail sentence is permanent so what's the problem in trying to rehabilitate someone so they aren't a danger to the public when they are released?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I see, just because I don't share your, quite frankly disturbing, bloodlust I must be some sort of soft type who goes around hugging rapists and murderers.

Good logic.

I don't share your, quite frankly, unsettling naivety - I have no doubt that you are capable of "hugging rapists and murderers" .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Okay then let's live in your proposed world for a moment, in order to save money we kill the most vile of criminals, we then decide to save more money by then killing thieves, thugs, people with parking tickets ETC. If the Law is ruled by finance then it'll ultimately be ruled by greed in the end.

What "proposed world" ?

Ofcouse, you are free to dramatise ..... but the law is ruled by finance - property is more important than people - "it's the rich wot gets the pleasure, it's the poor wot gets the blame" - robbing banks gets you locked up, but robber bankers grow fat on your cash .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Because it's cheaper to simply imprison criminals? Your whole point about executions being a better option financially is ultimately flawed. In America it costs a lot more to execute someone then it would to imprison them since you have to go through years of appeals and court actions before you can execute anyone. It's cheaper to simply imprison someone and try to rehabilitate them so they aren't a danger to the public when (or if) they are released.

This is NOT America (or even the USA) ..... so your point does not apply .....

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like I said before it'd be a bigger waste of money to execute them. If you're going to imprison someone it's worth trying to rehabilitate them since it's better to try and fail then not to try at all. Not every Jail sentence is permanent so what's the problem in trying to rehabilitate someone so they aren't a danger to the public when they are released?

Ah, the old Christian Victorian "reformer" argument ..... it never worked and it never will - prisons have always been "schools" for villains, nowadays they're "colleges" for religious fundamentalists, too .....

I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting .....

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Omah

I don't share your, quite frankly, unsettling naivety - I have no doubt that you are capable of "hugging rapists and murderers" .....

I'd rather be considered naive then disturbingly bloodthirsty. Like I said before how a person treats their lessers says a lot about them.

This is NOT America (or even the USA) ..... so your point does not apply .....

Yes it does, you just don't have a counter for it so you're doing the equivelant of sticking your fingers in your ears and going 'LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'

America's one of the few countries that's quite comparable to us in a lot of ways that still deals capital punishment so if it costs them tons of money to execute someone because of appeals, court procedures, Human Rights checks ETC then it would probably be a similar case in the UK if they brought back the death penalty. It's a fair comparison, you're just trying to void it because it destroys your little 'Killing people is financially sound' argument. Why don't you try another way to justify your bloodlust hmm?

Ah, the old Christian Victorian "reformer" argument ..... it never worked and it never will - prisons have always been "schools" for villains, nowadays they're "colleges" for religious fundamentalists, too .....

I'll do some research on the cost of the criminal rehabilitation system in England and establish the actual success/failure rates ..... I have no doubt that the results will be interesting .....

Okay then, what do you propose? Based on America, executions tend to cost more then life terms so what would you do? Bin all rehabilitation efforts just because it doesn't always work? Just let potential re-offenders rot in prison until they are released and free to do it all again? Like I've made a point of saying, all in all a prison sentence is cheaper then an execution so why would you not try to rehabilitate criminals for the sake of the public when they are released?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Omah

"Keeping people away" costs the taxpayer hundreds of millions of pounds a year - in an age of austerity, "disposal" of violent criminal offenders makes financial sense .....

Yes lots of things Do.
But we have No Death Penalty in the UK.


You talk like a Terminator Film Script.