[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

You don't understand the mentality of people who don't share the same opinion as you - people who have morales - now that I can understand from you.

It's obviously bypassed your notice that people are discussing someone who is in the public eye: puts herself in the public eye quite deliberately, has chosen a very public career, who offer up her personal life on a plate herself and offers her life story on a plate to the public. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Which part of that mentality don't you get? If it wasn't for the public discussing her - good or bad, positive or negative - she'd be no better than a cheap skanky street walker.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Sadly, there's far too many people invested in the lives of other people that actually fail to step back and realise that actually...those that they are criticising so...well, ridiculously, are the ones that are out having fun, and making the most of their lives living it the way they want, compared to themselves who sit in and complain about that.

I'll never understand the mentality. This obsession with prudishness and being so reserved. And complaining about those who don't...

In the same way that you are on here so very often complaining and moaning about anyone who doesn't think Denise is someone to be respected !!!

I've had many years of lots of fun - and always managed to keep my clothes on in public. I don't need to strip off to get the attention of others......

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You don't understand the mentality of people who don't share the same opinion as you - people who have morales - now that I can understand from you.

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's obviously bypassed your notice that people are discussing someone who is in the public eye: puts herself in the public eye quite deliberately, has chosen a very public career, who offer up her personal life on a plate herself and offers her life story on a plate to the public. she can't have her cake and eat it too. Which part of that mentality don't you get? If it wasn't for the public discussing her - good or bad, positive or negative - she'd be no better than a cheap skanky street walker.

Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In the same way that you are on here so very often complaining and moaning about anyone who doesn't think Denise is someone to be respected !!!

I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I've had many years of lots of fun - and always managed to keep my clothes on in public. I don't need to strip off to get the attention of others......

And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either. You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.



Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.



I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.



And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either. You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

The more you post, the more I agree with you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't have morals? Laughable. Absolutely laughable.



Firstly...you can hardly criticise anyone for doing any 'bypassing'. Just to clear that up.

My problem is with people's undying hatred of the woman. Some of you act like she's killed a baby, it's pathetic. Yes, offer your opinion on her...but don't slag her off every single minute of every single day, you look like you're obsessed...and quite frankly, I think you are.

Lastly, why would she be no better than a 'cheap skanky street walker'? Because she gets her tits out, really? And how do you define cheap and skanky and why do you define it in that way? These are all questions you never seem to consider. As I mentioned once before in this thread, but you quite conveniently ignored (perhaps because I raised a valid point that you were incapable of arguing against), that what exactly is the problem with someone getting their tits out? Or sleeping around if they are single? What's the problem? Why do so many people look down on it? It's a concept you have all bought into - but that doesn't mean it actually is wrong.



I never said she's to be respected, but I never said she's to be disrespected either. It's about, you know...leaving her to enjoy her life, instead of constantly scrutinising every move she makes, it's stalker-like.



And that's fine - but that doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to take their clothes off for fun in public. It doesn't have to be attention seeking, it can be for a laugh. And there's no problem with it either.

You've just been brought up to think that there is, but again, that doesn't mean there actually is. Just because someone flashes it doesn't mean they're on the same level as a murderer. Why do you have to be so uptight, prudish and reserved? Does everybody have to live like that? The answer is no. And those that choose not to live like that, well...there's nothing wrong with that either.

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye.

[Wayne-Kerr]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye.

Well that's not true now is it...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Wayne-Kerr

Well that's not true now is it...

It's VERY true.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JH95

The more you post, the more I agree with you.

Thank you...someone with some open-minded sense at last

Now...where do I start?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Therein lies the difference between you and I Jack. I don't have a problem (like you have) with anyone if the choose to thoroughly dislike someone else, and in this case, a two bit celeb.

But the grounds for which you have taken a dislike to her are quite frankly quite absurd. So she gets her tits out, and so you hate her?

There's murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all sorts out in the real world, but your dislike lies with a celebrity who chooses to flash her tits a bit and perhaps sleep around?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Everyone is allowed to make their own choices & form opinions on others, according to their belief, their moral values etc.

Unlike you, I don't seek out to disparage someone in the way that you have to do, simply because I don't share the same view. I don't have to do that Jack because I am self assured, I am confident, I am more than aware that my view is not one size fits all - but I certainly don't try to force it down anyone's throat in the manner you do. I don't have to get personal by attacking and insulting other forum members.


That's commonly referred to as accepting that others have a different point of view.

But essentially, your view is that getting your tits out is oh such an awful crime. You must be hung, drawn and quartered if you are to engage in such awful, repugnant behaviour. How dare someone else be proud of their own body, and have a laugh by exposing it in public, showing they are maybe not as prudish, reserved and uptight as some others. How dare they. Have them executed immediately.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

As for my being brought up to think a certain way: it's clear that you have no idea what you are speaking of. You have no iota of knowledge as to how I have lived my life, or how I was brought up. Apart from which: that was decades ago: being an adult and mature woman, I managed to form my own opinions independently long before you were even a twinkle in your mother's eye.

By brought up - I mean by how everyone is brought up. The large majority of us are brought up with certain norms and values instilled within us, such as how to conduct yourself at the dinner table, all the way through to...do you get your tits out in public. You learn these when growing up as part of a family, or during education and then the working world. These beliefs are constantly pushed into us all, but that doesn't mean we should just accept them and never question them, to do that would just be utterly ignorant.

Have you ever questioned or thought about why it's such a bad thing if someone wants to get their tits out in public for a laugh? Or sleep around when single? Like...do it now. Just explain to me what exactly is so wrong with it, and who invented this unwritten rule that it is totally forbidden and anyone so deviant enough to ignore it has committed the crime of the century? Please just try and explain it to me - because when you really think about things like this, you realise that actually, there isn't that much of a problem with it after all...and there are far worse things going on in the world. You just believe there's a problem because that's how you have lived, just as everyone else, amongst these norms, values and social conduct which have been essentially drilled into us throughout our entire lives.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It's VERY true.

You do come out with some classics.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Thank you...someone with some open-minded sense at last

Now...where do I start?



But the grounds for which you have taken a dislike to her are quite frankly quite absurd. So she gets her tits out, and so you hate her?

There's murderers, rapists, pedophiles and all sorts out in the real world, but your dislike lies with a celebrity who chooses to flash her tits a bit and perhaps sleep around?



But essentially, your view is that getting your tits out is oh such an awful crime. You must be hung, drawn and quartered if you are to engage in such awful, repugnant behaviour. How dare someone else be proud of their own body, and have a laugh by exposing it in public, showing they are maybe not as prudish, reserved and uptight as some others. How dare they. Have them executed immediately.



By brought up - I mean by how everyone is brought up. The large majority of us are brought up with certain norms and values instilled within us, such as how to conduct yourself at the dinner table, all the way through to...do you get your tits out in public. You learn these when growing up as part of a family, or during education and then the working world. These beliefs are constantly pushed into us all, but that doesn't mean we should just accept them and never question them, to do that would just be utterly ignorant.

Have you ever questioned or thought about why it's such a bad thing if someone wants to get their tits out in public for a laugh? Or sleep around when single? Like...do it now. Just explain to me what exactly is so wrong with it, and who invented this unwritten rule that it is totally forbidden and anyone so deviant enough to ignore it has committed the crime of the century? Please just try and explain it to me - because when you really think about things like this, you realise that actually, there isn't that much of a problem with it after all...and there are far worse things going on in the world. You just believe there's a problem because that's how you have lived, just as everyone else, amongst these norms, values and social conduct which have been essentially drilled into us throughout our entire lives.





You do come out with some classics.

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that. I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'. You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that. I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'. You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

Thought you didn't insult other members?

[Wayne-Kerr]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thought you didn't insult other members?

Don't confuse her.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JH95

Thought you didn't insult other members?

That's hardly an insult. My morale compass is higher - that's my opinion, and it's my view that I am very thankful that having that opinion of comparison.

do you have some problem with that?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Wayne-Kerr

Don't confuse her.

Any chance of sticking to the topic you lot... I know it's hard or don't you have anything else to say on the subject of Denise being a scutter?

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's hardly an insult. My morale compass is higher - that's my opinion, and it's my view that I am very thankful that having that opinion of comparison.

do you have some problem with that?

You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a fact. Iv'e noticed ou seem to say 'that's my opinion' alot, is it because you are running out of things to say?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that.

I'd love it if you could refer me to the part where I point blank stated that you needed my permission. Thanks.

Dislike anyone you like, I'm just suggesting that perhaps taking a dislike to some of the world's nastiest people might be a better idea for everyone, you know...like those murderers, rapists and pedophiles that I mentioned in my last post. But of course, you are entitled to take a dislike to a celebrity that strangely enough, you don't actually know...and so commenting on them and their lives would seem a bit, well...misinformed. But go ahead, yes, you are entitled to do that. It just looks a bit silly, that's all.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'.

That's one of the main reasons though, let's be honest. Amongst the others were...she sleeps around...and lives her life perhaps in the public eye.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

I can't take you seriously. I'm sorry but the irony in this post of yours is just incredible. And the fact that you're criticising, or at least attempting to criticise others for 'avoiding' and 'selective reading' is quite frankly just hilarious. You are probably the only person on this entire forum that is guilty of those kind of techniques, and it's plain for all to see in this thread and others.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

Oh my...

So not only have you managed to yet again completely ignore and avoid the point I made, for what must be the fifth or sixth time in this thread, but you have also made an extremely misinformed, laughable statement about my morals. You're incredible...in a bad way of course.

I suppose from your complete refusal to attempt to answer the question that I've now presented you with numerous times in this thread, I can conclude that you are absolutely incapable of answering it, yes? Because that's what it seems like to me. Not once have you even addressed that particular issue that I raised with you. Not once. You didn't mention it, answer it or anything...it speaks volumes really. I guess that at last proves my point - that just because it's something you've become accustomed to (as have most of us), it doesn't make it right. You've realised that, you just won't admit it...as usual.

As for my morals - they're perfectly fine thank you. I value things like equality, human rights and civilised behaviour (no violence etc) amongst many other important worldwide issues, not morals like whether someone should get their tits out or not - as quite obviously they're not at all important in comparison to the ones that I have listed. I'm sure that to most people, that is quite evident.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JH95

You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a fact. Iv'e noticed ou seem to say 'that's my opinion' alot, is it because you are running out of things to say?

It's just another tired old cliche from Pyramid's Bypassing Bible.

Her 'right to an opinion', 'prerogative' and that red text of hers are just many of the ways in which she tries and fails to convincingly deflect arguments.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JH95

You didn't state it as an opinion, you stated it as a fact. Iv'e noticed ou seem to say 'that's my opinion' alot, is it because you are running out of things to say?

Really? Did I. for the life of me, I cannot see where I have said ''This is a fact''. It's my opinion. If you have a problem with that, then I'm afraid it is your problem. Not mine.

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'd love it if you could refer me to the part where I point blank stated that you needed my permission. Thanks.

Dislike anyone you like, I'm just suggesting that perhaps taking a dislike to some of the world's nastiest people might be a better idea for everyone, you know...like those murderers, rapists and pedophiles that I mentioned in my last post. But of course, you are entitled to take a dislike to a celebrity that strangely enough, you don't actually know...and so commenting on them and their lives would seem a bit, well...misinformed. But go ahead, yes, you are entitled to do that. It just looks a bit silly, that's all.



That's one of the main reasons though, let's be honest. Amongst the others were...she sleeps around...and lives her life perhaps in the public eye.





I can't take you seriously. I'm sorry but the irony in this post of yours is just incredible. And the fact that you're criticising, or at least attempting to criticise others for 'avoiding' and 'selective reading' is quite frankly just hilarious. You are probably the only person on this entire forum that is guilty of those kind of techniques, and it's plain for all to see in this thread and others.



Oh my...

So not only have you managed to yet again completely ignore and avoid the point I made, for what must be the fifth or sixth time in this thread, but you have also made an extremely misinformed, laughable statement about my morals. You're incredible...in a bad way of course.

I suppose from your complete refusal to attempt to answer the question that I've now presented you with numerous times in this thread, I can conclude that you are absolutely incapable of answering it, yes? Because that's what it seems like to me. Not once have you even addressed that particular issue that I raised with you. Not once. You didn't mention it, answer it or anything...it speaks volumes really. I guess that at last proves my point - that just because it's something you've become accustomed to (as have most of us), it doesn't make it right. You've realised that, you just won't admit it...as usual.

As for my morals - they're perfectly fine thank you. I value things like equality, human rights and civilised behaviour (no violence etc) amongst many other important worldwide issues, not morals like whether someone should get their tits out or not - as quite obviously they're not at all important in comparison to the ones that I have listed. I'm sure that to most people, that is quite evident.

I'll say it again since you aren't quite catching on. Go READ my previous posts. It's not all about getting her tits out, however that's something that you simply are not willing to accept though Jack. You are not prepared to actually read what others write, preferring instead to shabbily misquote me.

Possibly too busy thinking about your next post, full of many words, unfortunately, repeating yourself time and time again and in reality, bringing nothing new to the discussion.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Jack, it's very simple. I have a right to dislike anyone I wish to and I don't need your permission to that right. Tough luck if you don't like that. I suggest very strongly that you go back, and very slowly, read over the reasons why I dislike the woman, it is not only because she 'gets her tits out'. You should at least have an attempt at not avoiding what others say, and not selectively reading fms comments - and avoiding reasons others have given, then you might understand the bigger picture.

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours, and to be perfectly honest with you: I'm extremely thankful for that.

Read it again and think about whether that could come off as rude. Doesn't look like an opinion to me...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JH95

Read it again and think about whether that could come off as rude. Doesn't look like an opinion to me...

It most cetainly does not state it as a fact. Of course my view that I am typing is my opinion. Who else's would it be?

[Wayne-Kerr]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It most cetainly does not state it as a fact. Of course my view that I am typing is my opinion. Who else's would it be?

You said it was "clearly" higher. So if it's actually that clear, it would be a fact.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Wayne-Kerr

You said it was "clearly" higher. So if it's actually that clear, it would be a fact.

In my opinion. Yes.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It most cetainly does not state it as a fact. Of course my view that I am typing is my opinion. Who else's would it be?

My morale compass is clearly far higher than yours,

You are quite clearly stating a fact there!

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In my opinion. Yes.

So you admit it's a fact??

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Incensed

You are quite clearly stating a fact there!

I'm stating my opinion on the comparison. That's not factual. It's subjective.

apart from anything else: once again I see you jump in on the thread to discuss a forum member rather than the topic. Seems to be a recurring theme.

[Jake.]

God, now you are splitting hairs