[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Sticks

Suppose someone goes out wearing expensive jewellery in a flash suit / dress to a rough part of town and are mugged.

The mugger may be the one committing the offence, but the victim in this case, by their actions would have been partly the author of their own misfortune, would they not?

So would you say a woman who wears a revealing outfit would be responsible if she ended up getting raped?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So would you say a woman who wears a revealing outfit would be responsible if she ended up getting raped?

Number one, in my hypothetical I was trying to be gender neutral by saying suit - slash dress

On the specific issue, out of interest we used to have an evangelist whose wife would often say something along the lines of "if you are not selling don't advertise" Probably basing her remark on what ladies wear out and about in Newcastle. This was a woman voicing an opinion that other women should be more circumspect in what they wear.

The question reminds me of the film The Accused with Jodie Foster, which dealt with the same question. If a woman dresses provocatively should she be responsible if something like that happened. The opinion generated by the film was that she should not be held responsible. In an ideal world we can hold to that, and that should be how it should be

However this is not an ideal world, as the wife of the evangelist would observe.

Things we do have consequences. Sometimes we have to limit ourselves and our freedoms because of this fallen world. If you go out wearing jewellery then you make sure you stay away from certain areas and take certain precautions in order to stay safe. You do not behave in a cavalier and reckless way, even if you have a right to and are not breaking any law.

Back on the real world example, if Samantha had not told lies and if Moat had still killed the boyfriend, and she still survived, then he would not have gone after the first police officer he found on a vendetta.

The consequence of her lies, has not lead to another death

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So would you say a woman who wears a revealing outfit would be responsible if she ended up getting raped?

This Thread is in a Tangle


Sticks has it in for the woman.

Thats it.

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by arista

This Thread is in a Tangle

It did drift slightly off topic for a moment

Originally Posted by arista

Sticks has it in for the woman.

Thats it.

That is not accurate of my position, this is about a specific individual whose actions have been deemed responsible for the death of at least one innocent man by his family, namely the boyfriend.

My earlier recollection about what women wear was quoting what another senior woman had said.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Sticks

It did drift slightly off topic for a moment



That is not accurate of my position, this is about a specific individual whose actions have been deemed responsible for the death of at least one innocent man by his family, namely the boyfriend.

My earlier recollection about what women wear was quoting what another senior woman had said.

Before making ludicrous accusations why dont you go read the report from the coroner who dealt with Moats Inquest.

In it you will find mention of the fact that Moat blamed the police for taking his children from him, destroying his business, setting him up for numerous charges, in fact if it had of been raining anytime raoul didnt want it to be, that would have been the police fault. He had a long deep standing hatred of the police from long before the final week of his life.

But hey lets not let any facts get in the castigation of Miss Stobbart that you feel necessary. After all the family of her murdered boyfriend's reaction in grief absolutely proves it was all her fault. Burn the Witch

[Ammi]

Moat seemed to have an obsession with Sam Stobbard, first he shot her then said he would kill the hospital staff if she died. He was completely insane and I don't believe she could have done anything to stop him...I think if he had seen her ask a stranger in the street for the time, he would have shot them too..he was a lunatic and one the world is best rid of. I can understand that her boyfriends family didn't want her at the funeral, the whole association with Moat would have been too painful and possibly infame some emotions. They probably made the right decision, under the circumstances. If he hadn't have met her, he would be alive, if she hadn't have met Moat..if..if..if...but that isn't blame, it isn't her fault, it's a tragic string series of events and she was caught up in it too.
He hated the police and blamed them for everything. That's what pathetic ****heads like him do, he was a violent maniac so he ended up in prison where he belonged..of course that was the police's fault..no acceptance for his crimes and the consequence of losing Sam Stobbard. He breaks the law..it's someone else's fault, the police. Imo, none of this is her fault, she was as much a victim of his twisted, warped world as everyone else. He was a madman and he was going to kill and he would find a reason for it in his twisted sick mind