Originally Posted by lostalex

This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

South America is actually more free than north America. Your country is beholden to corporations, and lobbyists, in a way that the left-leaning south of the continent isn't.

Look at the way Grover Norqvist has the congress by the balls, purely on the basis of a pledge he invented when he was ****ing 12 years old.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

South America is actually more free than north America. Your country is beholden to corporations, and lobbyists, in a way that the left-leaning south of the continent isn't.

Look at the way Grover Norqvist has the congress by the balls, purely on the basis of a pledge he invented when he was ****ing 12 years old.

beholden to what corperations? you mean AMERICAN corperations?? lol

[Livia]

Edit: in reply to JHChrist reply to mine...

Yeah, it's a fine idea, although it's not the same to ask if you lived in Argentina would you still be British. The Islanders would be on their home land which would suddenly become foreign soil to them. And anyway, I'm sure if we floated the idea with the Argentinians I'm sure they wouldn't go for it. And what about Chile? Geographically the Falklands are as close to Chile as they are to Argentina, maybe they'll be asking for a bit soon.

I'm sure if the Brits bent over backwards they still wouldn't be able to please all of the people all of the time. The fairest thing in my opinion is to ask the people who live on the islands, and whose families have lived on the islands for generations. Who could argue with that?

[lostalex]

No more division between North America and South America, we are BOTH fed up with Europeans thinking they have any say over our hemisphere. Hillary get's it.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You have it a bit skewed. Moving people across the world to a different part of the globe, doesn't suddenly make that land British soil. Using the arguments of neighboring countries does your argument no favours either, as it's a bit nonsensical.

The Argentinians wanted self determination from their own fascist Junta, but they were still living in their own country at the time, they just wanted a change of politics.

You mean the Argentinians who are around 90% of Spanish and Italian descent?

Originally Posted by lostalex

beholden to what corperations? you mean AMERICAN corperations?? lol

They are still corporations, and they still get to dictate to your citizens. The Koch brothers funded tea-party prove exactly that.

Those same American corporations ship jobs over seas, and take tax breaks from over seas too. Like John Boehner handing out cheques from the tobacco lobbyists, on the house floor.

The citizens united ruling actually has ****ed your country up even more.

There are none so blind as those that choose not to see.

America is nothing like the ideal of America. You're probably less free now than at any time in your history, and not for the reasons that Glenn Beck and Shaun Klanity tell you either.

When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. Ring any bells?

Originally Posted by Livia

You mean the Argentinians who are around 90% of Spanish and Italian descent?

How far do you want to go back? We're all East African descent, so lets give the whole planet to Africa, shall we? Poor argument from you, there.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

How far do you want to go back? We're all East African descent, so lets give the whole planet to Africa, shall we? Poor argument from you, there.

wow, we've actually found some common ground!!! :bow:

Originally Posted by lostalex

wow, we've actually found some common ground!!! :bow:

I wouldn't get too excited, it won't last.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I wouldn't get too excited, it won't last.

is that a dare? i like a challenge

Originally Posted by Livia

Edit: in reply to JHChrist reply to mine...

Yeah, it's a fine idea, although it's not the same to ask if you lived in Argentina would you still be British. The Islanders would be on their home land which would suddenly become foreign soil to them. And anyway, I'm sure if we floated the idea with the Argentinians I'm sure they wouldn't go for it. And what about Chile? Geographically the Falklands are as close to Chile as they are to Argentina, maybe they'll be asking for a bit soon.

I'm sure if the Brits bent over backwards they still wouldn't be able to please all of the people all of the time. The fairest thing in my opinion is to ask the people who live on the islands, and whose families have lived on the islands for generations. Who could argue with that?

It's foreign soil, in name only. It doesn't have to affect their lives in any great way, other than immigration from Argentina may occur.

Good point about Chile, but they haven't staked any claims on the land, and if we act adult as a country now, we may get a share of the resources continuously down the line. If we act stubborn and inflexible now, then eventually the rest of the world will kick us out anyway. British colonialism is something that should have died out a long time ago. We can't maintain lands that have nothing to do with us.

Originally Posted by lostalex

is that a dare? i like a challenge

If you can take a fact as a dare as a challenge, then knock yourself out. And I do mean, knock yourself out.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

If you can take a fact as a dare as a challenge, then knock yourself out. And I do mean, knock yourself out.

yessa massa. knocking myself out! (via rum)

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

it'sa almost 7am here, and i havn't slept, it's very unfair of you to expect me to still make sense.

Still make sense? Where did you get the idea you ever make any sense with your anti european flaming?

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You have it a bit skewed. Moving people across the world to a different part of the globe, doesn't suddenly make that land British soil. Using the arguments of neighboring countries does your argument no favours either, as it's a bit nonsensical.

The Argentinians wanted self determination from their own fascist Junta, but they were still living in their own country at the time, they just wanted a change of politics.

Oh so you are now saying it was the UK governments policy to send people down to the falklands over the last couple of centuries, in order that we could claim mineral rights etc offshore down there, now that is far thinking.

As things stand the Bennies want self determination of their own land however the Argentinian government at the time(1982) didnt want to listen to thier opinions and just decided to invaded sovereign territory of another country.

Another little pointer that was ignored by the Argies since the party down there, if we allowed the Falkland Islands to become independent, an option that was offered to them, would the argies just leave them the hell alone? They refused a direct answer about that one.

Think we know exactly what the Argies belief about "Los Malvenos" really is, its a handy flag to wave when their economies in the clag and the people are turning a little nasty towards the government at the time. Its also a very handy little charity bucket to wave about when they feel they need more economic aid from the Imperial aggressors.


In my slightly cynical view they dont really want the islands back, well not least till we have cleaned up all their minefields. Till the price of oil makes it economically viable for them to open the oilwells we have already drilled and capped.

But heres the bugbear, maybe just maybe the British Government might actually chat to them and who knows maybe the stills of the FI will talk to them, when they actually grow a pair and apologise for the loss of life and other problems they have created for the FI by being all macho and invading in 1982.

[SoBig]

LMFAO @ lostalex.

You are being such a hypocrite. The US "claim" ownership over several Islands that are geographically part of another country.

Navassa Island

Bajo Nuevo Bank

Serranilla Bank

Just to name a few.

Jamaica, Haiti etc. have been fighting for those Islands for years now, but the US won't back down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navassa_Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajo_Nuevo_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serranilla_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo..._United_States

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by SoBig

LMFAO @ lostalex.

You are being such a hypocrite. The US "claim" ownership over several Islands that are geographically part of another country.

Navassa Island

Bajo Nuevo Bank

Serranilla Bank

Just to name a few.

Jamaica, Haiti etc. have been fighting for those Islands for years now, but the US won't back down.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navassa_Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bajo_Nuevo_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serranilla_Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo..._United_States

Hey! We are ONLY talking about the UK colonialism... let's stay on topic please.....

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Still make sense? Where did you get the idea you ever make any sense with your anti european flaming?

Anti-European? lol.

I'm not anti-European, if it were up to me you'd be speaking German in a Russian accent.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Anti-European? lol.
I'm not anti-European, if it were up to me you'd be speaking German.

Why?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Why?

because i would have never involved America in the European war.

I would have focused all of our efforts in the Pacific.

I certainly wouldn't have supported any kind of Marshal plan.

I wouls have juist let Canada taker care of that. Since Canada likes to pretend that it was so important, I wonder how Canada would have handled the aftermath of ww2 without America.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Hey! We are ONLY talking about the UK colonialism... let's stay on topic please...

Apart from Our Falklands
all else has gone.


So its only a problem to the Argys
who want Our Oil near the Islands.

They Are Never Getting it
And America has no real say in this.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by arista

Apart from Our Falklands
all else has gone.


So its only a problem to the Ar***
who want Our Oil near the Islands.

They Are Never Getting it
And America has no real say in this.

Don't say Ar*** that's racist.

and America has a HUGE say in this, because if we decide to defend them... then you stand ZERO chance, you don't realize that??

America decides if you succeed or fail, don't forget that EVER.

Britain is incapable of doing ANYTHING without American support.

Maybe you forgot the whole SUEZ CAnAL Thing??

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

because i would have never involved America in the European war.

I would have focused all of our efforts in the Pacific.

And how exactly would that have been feasible when Nazi Germany declared war on the US, when you were being attacked by their Japanese allies?

[Kizzy]

one word, belgrano.

[MTVN]

Oh for ****s sake, why am I being dragged into this again. This thread is about the Falklands, so tired of seeing threads derailed like this

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

And how exactly would that have been feasible when Nazi Germany declared war on the US, when you were being attacked by their Japanese allies?

the only threat to America by Germany was trade. Germany was never a real threat to the American mainland.

Germany was never any kind of security threat to America. And America knew that Russia would CRUSH the NAxi's eventually.

the NAzi's being destroyed was never a question, the only question that mattered to America was how powerful would Russia be after the war was finished, and how confident would they be.

America didn't save western europe because we LIKE YOU, we saved you because we needed an ally to contain the Bear. You performed your role perfectly. You continue to perform that role and you won't stop anytime soon, Because we PAY YOU to do that job.

You (western europe) are an employee, don't forget that. You are being PAID to do a JOB.