[lostalex]

Originally Posted by King_Anton

I'll empty a whole clip before the day my dog is taken away from me.

that's a mature response. just out of curtiosity, how many bullets are there exactly in a clip? how many people are you willing to kill for a dog??

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

People always blame the dogs...but its usually how they are brought up

umm, Isn't that true of HUmans too??

[Kizzy]

Some breeds are just inherantly more aggressive than others, and even with the best trainer in the world their natural instincts will surface I think.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I agree, lads use dogs as accesories too, and it seems to go in phases a few years ago it was dobermans and rotwielers then alsatians or german shepherds. now its pitbulls or staffs

I don't see our dog as an 'accessory',he is the family pet so I cannot go all the way with your comment there.

He is a Staffordshire and his temperament is one of the best natured I have come across in a dog. Naturally he will bark in his own territorial areas, but should anyone come up to him all he does is wag his tail and given the chance would lick their hands for ages.

All dogs can be Vicious, as I said on another thread the only dog I have ever been bitten by was a Jack Russell, it is down to the owners in the main and how they treat them and how they train them too.

I was 15 when we got this Staffie and this lad,as I was then, certainly never saw him as an 'accessory', I would say a minority of lads do in reality, they see them as loving pets to the lads people see with them not accessories.

Pit Bull's for example,adding immediately that I have come across really good natured Pit Bulls most of the time, are seperated as to the dangerous dogs list from breeds such as Alsatians and Staffies for the reason they are sadly trained at times by people who want to make them like fighting dogs rather than pets,they by doing that really abuse the dog.
All dogs though can extremely vicious and capable of doing what happened with these officers.

I think you or someone else made an earlier point though and I agree totally with it, that if a dog commits an attack on someone then one or more of the owners definately should be always prosecuted for that incident.

The only thing I am surprised at in this incident is that the Officers didn't find out or see if there were any dogs on the premises,which is why I think as with registering as to how many people and their names are living in a property if you have a dog then that should be registered too.

All breeds of dog can turn and be very vicious and attack people, owners and others need to be aware of that,as long as owners and others take care with their dogs,all should be far safer.

I and a student friend were walking my dog the other week, harnessed and on his lead but a child ran over to him to pat him and I stopped her, the Mother was nowhere to be seen, I was in an area where dogs were allowed off the lead but I rarely ever do that so I can protect him, except in our garden.
When the Mother eventually appeared I said had my dog been off the lead and attacked her child what would she have said and done, she just looked at me and walked off.

Sadly, in a number of dog attacks, there are other irresponsible people involved in the incident too not just the dog owners.

[Marc]

[Livia]

Lots of people bring their dogs into my office, I've always got dog treats in my drawer. I've had a Staff in here this morning... Rodney. He's the biggest, daftest softie ever. He's a good, well-behaved dog becasue he has a responsible owner. While I acknowledge there there will be a few nutty, untrainable dogs, in the main I believe that there are very few bad dogs but a ridiculously high number of bad owners.

[Marc]

Big dogs are usually just big soppy lovely things really.

Pitbulls are not nice though

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lots of people bring their dogs into my office, I've always got dog treats in my drawer. I've had a Staff in here this morning... Rodney. He's the biggest, daftest softie ever. He's a good, well-behaved dog becasue he has a responsible owner. While I acknowledge there there will be a few nutty, untrainable dogs, in the main I believe that there are very few bad dogs but a ridiculously high number of bad owners.

Exactly, I totally agree with you Livia. (I guess that will be no surprise to anyone though).

[Marc]

Bad dogs are only a result of poor owners and not treating them well or bringing them up properly.

You don't buy a dog because it's cute, you take on the responsibility to bring it up and stop it from being aggressive.

I have two husky's and they are powerful and could do one over on you if they wanted, but we trained them to be lovely and nice

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't see our dog as an 'accessory',he is the family pet so I cannot go all the way with your comment there.

He is a Staffordshire and his temperament is one of the best natured I have come across in a dog. Naturally he will bark in his own territorial areas, but should anyone come up to him all he does is wag his tail and given the chance would lick their hands for ages.

All dogs can be Vicious, as I said on another thread the only dog I have ever been bitten by was a Jack Russell, it is down to the owners in the main and how they treat them and how they train them too.

I was 15 when we got this Staffie and this lad,as I was then, certainly never saw him as an 'accessory', I would say a minority of lads do in reality, they see them as loving pets to the lads people see with them not accessories.

Pit Bull's for example,adding immediately that I have come across really good natured Pit Bulls most of the time, are seperated as to the dangerous dogs list from breeds such as Alsatians and Staffies for the reason they are sadly trained at times by people who want to make them like fighting dogs rather than pets,they by doing that really abuse the dog.
All dogs though can extremely vicious and capable of doing what happened with these officers.

I think you or someone else made an earlier point though and I agree totally with it, that if a dog commits an attack on someone then one or more of the owners definately should be always prosecuted for that incident.

The only thing I am surprised at in this incident is that the Officers didn't find out or see if there were any dogs on the premises,which is why I think as with registering as to how many people and their names are living in a property if you have a dog then that should be registered too.

All breeds of dog can turn and be very vicious and attack people, owners and others need to be aware of that,as long as owners and others take care with their dogs,all should be far safer.

I and a student friend were walking my dog the other week, harnessed and on his lead but a child ran over to him to pat him and I stopped her, the Mother was nowhere to be seen, I was in an area where dogs were allowed off the lead but I rarely ever do that so I can protect him, except in our garden.
When the Mother eventually appeared I said had my dog been off the lead and attacked her child what would she have said and done, she just looked at me and walked off.

Sadly, in a number of dog attacks, there are other irresponsible people involved in the incident too not just the dog owners.

Sorry joey, i didn't mean all lads I just meant the ones who use a dog as part of their hardman persona. I see it a lot in my area, and they use them as a tool to intimidate, encouraging aggressive behaviour.
The situation that vicky described is not uncommon, its really sad.
It does always seem to be the dog that is blamed in these instances, so i totally agree with you are coming from when you say its the owners, However i still maintain there are breeds that will turn irrespective of their usual good nature.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marc

Bad dogs are only a result of poor owners and not treating them well or bringing them up properly.

You don't buy a dog because it's cute, you take on the responsibility to bring it up and stop it from being aggressive.

I have two husky's and they are powerful and could do one over on you if they wanted, but we trained them to be lovely and nice

Along with Staffies I love husky's, beautiful dogs.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

umm, Isn't that true of HUmans too??

No I wouldnt say so.

[Roy Mars III]

Originally Posted by Marc

Bad dogs are only a result of poor owners and not treating them well or bringing them up properly.

You don't buy a dog because it's cute, you take on the responsibility to bring it up and stop it from being aggressive.

I have two husky's and they are powerful and could do one over on you if they wanted, but we trained them to be lovely and nice

For most. There are some kind of dogs (pitbulls) who can attack for almost no reason regardless of owner

[Kizzy]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ost_read_modul

The footage is awful nobody even attempted to help the officer...The dog was shot 3 times

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Sorry joey, i didn't mean all lads I just meant the ones who use a dog as part of their hardman persona. I see it a lot in my area, and they use them as a tool to intimidate, encouraging aggressive behaviour.
The situation that vicky described is not uncommon, its really sad.
It does always seem to be the dog that is blamed in these instances, so i totally agree with you are coming from when you say its the owners, However i still maintain there are breeds that will turn irrespective of their usual good nature.

No worries kizzy, no need to apologise. I agree with most you say anyway. I just wanted to point out that I looked on our pet different from being an accessory and to be fair most of the people I know of my age and younger are the same towards their dogs.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kizzy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ost_read_modul

The footage is awful nobody even attempted to help the officer...The dog was shot 3 times

Would you step in after seeing the thing start mauling the policemans arm?

[Jack_]

I'm terrified of dogs...this doesn't do much to help. Bastard things.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm terrified of dogs...this doesn't do much to help. Bastard things.

LOL...harsh