[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

is the circumcision of kids wrong then?

Only primitive religions do that.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Only primitive religions do that.

you need to get some international stamps in pissport

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

is the circumcision of kids wrong then?

Yes

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

you need to get some international stamps in pissport

I don't know what that means, but thanks I guess.

[SharkAttack]

We let our 9 year old make the call and only when she inquired about it. She took care of her ears for about two months and then grew annoyed with it all so let them heal up. She can decide when she's older if she wants to try again, but the key here is to let them decide for themselves if they want to add those kinds of jewelry that require a small amount of mutilation.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I would hate seeing my baby get injections never mind their ears pierced. it's hard enough to see a baby cry in pain because of something that will make them better, but to see them cry in pain because of jewellery is awful

...good point

[ThisIsAnAccount]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

I was at my local shops yesterday and a woman in front of me in the queue started chatting to me, as you do. Her baby, aged about 18 months, was in her pram and this woman told me that she'd just had her ears pierced (the child) as "a treat". I just smiled and said she looked cute but to be honest I was horrified. "A treat!" The little girl was just a baby. I don't agree with this, but would never have said anything as it's not my place. I feel however that parents shouldn't be able to get their children pierced anywhere until the child is of a reasonable age to make that decision themselves. Obviously children grow up quickly these days so I'm not advocating anything like 16 or 18, but maybe 10 or 12? And there's the question of whether the salon or wherever they have it done should have a moral and ethical duty to set an age limit on such treatments. I believe they should, I don't know whether or not there's an actual law for this, but if not then there should be.

Thoughts?

what's the harm? if the child grows up and decides doesn't want earings or piercings anymore then they just take them out and if they want to cover up the holes they'll probably be a way to do that too....

[Locke.]

Fine with girls, not with boys

[Ammi]

...I think what I dislike more..is very young boys who have...'stuff' shaved into their hair...Nike ticks and things

[King Gizzard]

..chavs

[King Gizzard]

I had my ear done during high school but I left it a while and couldn't get it back in it was biggish hole too had quite a black plastic earing thing in it (not those massive things you see)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nathan

..chavs

..I guess so.....it doesn't look right anyway

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think what I dislike more..is very young boys who have...'stuff' shaved into their hair...Nike ticks and things

When my nephew was about six he wouldn't stop asking to have a spiderman web shaved into his hair because he saw another kid with one, and obviously loved spiderman, he loved it but it grew out really fast and he wasn't bothered after that.

I don't really have a problem with kids getting their ears pierced, they most likely wont remember it and lots of girls will get them done eventually anyway, as long as the parents look after the child's ears properly and don't put big earrings on them, I think it's fine.

[Marc]

18months is pretty early to be honest

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnAccount

what's the harm? if the child grows up and decides doesn't want earings or piercings anymore then they just take them out and if they want to cover up the holes they'll probably be a way to do that too....

no. let them make the decision themselves in the first place. As was pointed out above, a child is not an accessory and I can't understand the logic behind getting very young children pierced, it's painful and totally unnecessary, what possible benefit can be gained from it? None at all.

With regards to circumcision, I think that's an awful practice, very primitive and totally unnecessary.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Only primitive religions do that.

Not really, most American babies are circumcised, not even to do with religious reasons, just because they think it looks better and is cleaner. Personally I don't agree with babies being circumcised unless it's for medical reasons.

[HBB1508]

Personally I can't stand babies/young children with earrings just as I can't stand parents who let them wear make up - let them be children while they can - when they get old enough to make their own decision that's fine.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

I don't really have a problem with kids getting their ears pierced, they most likely wont remember it and lots of girls will get them done eventually anyway, as long as the parents look after the child's ears properly and don't put big earrings on them, I think it's fine.

I'm with Jess on this. I don't see any real problem with it.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Hate it! child abuse in my view....

pete burns would love this quote

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Only primitive religions do that.

My religion does that. I do not regard myself as "primitive". Around 80% of the male population of the USA is circumcised - not all for reglious purposes, and not all because they're "primitive".

I've noticed that a lot of discussions seem to get turned around to circumcision. I don't know any man who is circumcised and has a problem with it, and some women prefer a man who is circumcised. I'd say there are far more worthy bandwagons to jump on... female circumcision, for instance.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Livia

My religion does that. I do not regard myself as "primitive". Around 80% of the male population of the USA is circumcised - not all for reglious purposes, and not all because they're "primitive".

I've noticed that a lot of discussions seem to get turned around to circumcision. I don't know any man who is circumcised and has a problem with it, and some women prefer a man who is circumcised. I'd say there are far more worthy bandwagons to jump on... female circumcision, for instance.

jump livia,
im jokeing,you know i luv you

[Kazanne]

My little girl had hers a couple of years ago she was 6,I wasn't too keen but she really wanted them done,I do think it should be the childs decision,imo,no need for it as babies.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kazanne

My little girl had hers a couple of years ago she was 6,I wasn't too keen but she really wanted them done,I do think it should be the childs decision,imo,no need for it as babies.

My nieces had them done when they were six. They wanted to have it done and drove their mother insane! They are only allowed to wear tiny studs though. Looks terrible on babies and little kids though.

[Z]

I just think it looks a bit tacky at that age. I think, in the example Lee gave, if a child really wants to get it done and is therefore old enough to make decisions, then it's fine because they've made a conscious choice. ILoveTRW, I think circumcision of children is wrong too, yes, because they're not old enough to know if that's what they want - and it can't be undone.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont agree with it at that age. When they are old enough to actually ask for them done and understand what they want then its a different story.

Its easy enough to say they can take them out and they will heal up if they dont want it done but I took my second earrings out about 6 years ago now and still have holes there

Also, its not safe tbh. They could catch them on something, they could be pulled out at school/nursery...

Agree 100%. Some parents treat children as objects rather than people and do with them as such. Should be made ilegal to abuse a child in a pysical way unless there are medical reasons.

Religious rituals and indeed religious beliefs should by law not allowed to be imposed on children until they reach an age of consent and approval and understanding as to why certain thigs are done and beliefs are formed......Age of consent for religion indoctrination and physical ritulistic proceedures should be 18.

Anything physical done to a child or indoctrinated beliefs should be regarded as child abuse......