[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You were the one who asked the question ........ I answered it.

The link and the correlation as to where the wasted monies go as far government workers is concerned - many of which I listed - will indeed apply to teachers too....... it really does seem that you are unable to contemplate the bigger picture and anything that remotely impacts directly on government monies - which come from the taxpayers - that keep those in goverment employ, employed!

How can you apply the points you made to teachers?..
There are lots of things that have an impact on government coffers...Im trying to stick to the point here... which are the unreasonable demands on teachers, and their reaction to it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

What has any of that to do with the teachers wanting to strike for pensions? The obvious point is that funds will have to be diverted by other government employees - policemen - who will be expected to monitor and be in situ at picket lines.... ie; another prime example of a waste of money - brought about by teachers moaning that their pension contributions are being lowered.

Seriously Kizzy... I can't help but feel you are completely and utterly blinkered without being able to see past this tunnel vision approach of "I support them, not sure why really and I don't comprehend the impact outwith that tiny little window".

You brought up the subject of the police, and asked me to clarify my point to the link i posted....

I am not...I can see perfectly well thankyou, you might have a better view if you got off that tall horse....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

I know the reasons...I have quoted them many times...And they are apparent in the news items contained in the links I provided.
I do not however know their individual thoughts and feelings...Im not mystic meg lol.

I am not being led blindly...Don't worry I have formed my opinion very carefully thankyou.

Good for you, my heart is not bleeding...You made your career choice. Trying to discredit teachers by suggesting you could do a better job is ridiculous.

Have teaching standards, training, workloadpressures in the profession changed since the 30's ....yes they have.
How can you expect a teacher with a family of their own to take a cut of £30 a month?...Its unbelievable.

I watched the budget...and saw the tax rate fall for the top earners...and business tax fall too...I'm bleating at that Im sure many in public services are.
The rich get richer and those who look after the countries kids, and the 999 services get kicked in the nads!


When will it sink in that the se cost cutting exercises are detrimental to this country?

If that is how you feel about those in public service in the UK today I feel very sorry for you. And I feel you are very out of touch in your responses.

Kizzy - you are all over the place here.

one minute you are saying you know the reasons, the next you are saying that you aren't privvy to the thoughts and reasons.

One minute you ask ''what waste'' and when you receive the reply, you ask ''what's that got to do with teachers''

Please point out to me where I said I could do a better job of the teachers? Show me the exact quote, with the specific words that I said that.

A cut of £30 a month Kizzy is no big deal for anyone on a teacher's salary. It is more than achievable and if they are so aggrieved about it: why don't the remove themself from teaching in state schools and enter the private schooling side of things? To use your own words back at you.... THEY chose their career choice. No one is forcing them to stay.

Let's be honest; most of them know fine well they'd have to work a damn sight harder....even bringing them in a higher salary - but they don't want to make that choice - because it means they would actually (a lot of them) have to do some real hard graft and actually be held accountable for it.

If they can't hack the responsibilities of ever changing roles, it's spitting dummies out of pram stuff.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

You brought up the subject of the police, and asked me to clarify my point to the link i posted....

I am not...I can see perfectly well thankyou, you might have a better view if you got off that tall horse....

Yes I know.... but somehow, after you asked the question, to which I replied to - you took the ''what's that got to do with it stance''. It's as though you've no idea what you posted / asked previously.

I far prefer being upon my horse Kizzy... and least I get a very clear view up here and with lots of fresh air to keep my mind sharp. That aside: you can quit with the snidey remarks right now - you were quick enough to pull Arista up for him being of the opinion that you are militant (which in fact, is a view that I share - that's not an insult, it is a reasonable assessment on your stance). If you can't take any smarty comment back, then the easy solution is: don't give them out.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

How can you apply the points you made to teachers?..
There are lots of things that have an impact on government coffers...Im trying to stick to the point here... which are the unreasonable demands on teachers, and their reaction to it.

No, what you are in fact doing is going off topic when it suits you (toilet training ring any bells...).

You are also avoiding being able to quantify in any real way: what precisely you think it wrong with (let's go for your own viewpoint here) - professional who have trained for year, highly educated people - being empowered. Empowered Kizzy. Being given personal responsibility for their own decisions and the impact that they (as individual teachers) can have to the postive.

You have also failed totally and to the most astonishing levels: a complete denial (or perhaps you know there is no sensible answer) to the question of the monetary cost such strikes have on the country - on it's already moth eaten purse.

The blinkers are well and truly closed with absolutely no thought or consideration as to WHERE all the money comes from in the first place.

I will ask you again Kizzy...unless I have missed you replying to it already? What line of work/profession are you in - and why are so you keen so avoid answering such an easy question?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Kizzy - you are all over the place here.

one minute you are saying you know the reasons, the next you are saying that you aren't privvy to the thoughts and reasons.

One minute you ask ''what waste'' and when you receive the reply, you ask ''what's that got to do with teachers''

Please point out to me where I said I could do a better job of the teachers? Show me the exact quote, with the specific words that I said that.

A cut of £30 a month Kizzy is no big deal for anyone on a teacher's salary. It is more than achievable and if they are so aggrieved about it: why don't the remove themself from teaching in state schools and enter the private schooling side of things? To use your own words back at you.... THEY chose their career choice. No one is forcing them to stay.

Let's be honest; most of them know fine well they'd have to work a damn sight harder....even bringing them in a higher salary - but they don't want to make that choice - because it means they would actually (a lot of them) have to do some real hard graft and actually be held accountable for it.

If they can't hack the responsibilities of every changing roles, it's spitting dummies out of pram stuff.

Wrong...I said I was not privvy to individual thoughts and feelings regarding the strice....
I am well aware of the general view of the teachers involved.

To be fair the 'What waste' comment was directed at livia, therefore I was a little thrown when you replied to that point...
The conversation had seemed to go a little 'off track' I was trying to bring it back
You suggested that you were as qualified as a teacher....And with respect it takes a lot more than a paper qualification to be a teacher.

Have you spoken to any teachers regarding this drop in wages?....Im guessing no.
Is that your serious response?...That decent teachers who don't like their salary and pension cut they can go work in the private sector....
Who will teach the children in state schools then?...

I don't think you have the first clue about teaching judging by this comment...
Teachers have an extremely stressful demanding job, if you disagree fine but your 'old school' perception cannot be applied today.
Times have changed there are challenges that teachers face today that 15-20 years ago did not exist...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes I know.... but somehow, after you asked the question, to which I replied to - you took the ''what's that got to do with it stance''. It's as though you've no idea what you posted / asked previously.

I far prefer being upon my horse Kizzy... and least I get a very clear view up here and with lots of fresh air to keep my mind sharp. That aside: you can quit with the snidey remarks right now - you were quick enough to pull Arista up for him being of the opinion that you are militant (which in fact, is a view that I share - that's not an insult, it is a reasonable assessment on your stance). If you can't take any smarty comment back, then the easy solution is: don't give them out.

Please don't make this a personal attack it was not intended to cause offence...If it did im sorry, there is nothing to gain from throwing insults.
I am not militant ...It is in no way a reasonable assessment ,I could get upset at that remark ...but I won't as I feel you are attempting to prove a point.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Thats unfair the RCN voted not to strike last time so no lives were ever in jeopardy. And first responders were not involved either...

They are failing....And they are blaming the teachers rather than themselves.

Yes, as child services is seriously underfunded...

What do you consider waste?....

I thought the councils were streamlining? With the abolition of police authorities there will be no need for as many councillors so I'm guessing their days are numbered.

We don't need as many MP's either tbh... Or mayors....

I wasn't talking about nurses I quite clearly said paramedics.

The first part of your post is just banging on with the same misguided, misinformed nonsense as before, so I will just answer your latest swerve.

You obviously have no idea what councillors do. Do you know what they're paid? It's around £4000 a year. They're on call ALL the time, their contact details are published and people in their wards call them all the time and they're expected to help when they're needed. They're not paid a massive salary and a pension. Perhaps if people - like yourself - who are so disillusioned with everything fought and won a council seat, you'd be able to put the world right instead of just moaning about it. Although I'm sure you wouldn't want to do what they do for £80 a week.

You know even less about MPs than you do about councillors. I would love you to spend a week in an MPs office just to see the amount of emails, calls and letters that are received. MPs have around 90,000 voters in their constituency. That's a LOT of people. Only half on them will have voted, and only have of those who voted will have voted for that MP. But he or she still has to represent every single one of them. You'd be shocked if you knew how much work passes through an MPs office. To suggest we should cut their number and increase the workload of already overloaded constituency staff is absurd and misguided. I'm surpprised they didn't teach you this stuff on your course.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No, what you are in fact doing is going off topic when it suits you (toilet training ring any bells...).

You are also avoiding being able to quantify in any real way: what precisely you think it wrong with (let's go for your own viewpoint here) - professional who have trained for year, highly educated people - being empowered. Empowered Kizzy. Being given personal responsibility for their own decisions and the impact that they (as individual teachers) can have to the postive.

You have also failed totally and to the most astonishing levels: a complete denial (or perhaps you know there is no sensible answer) to the question of the monetary cost such strikes have on the country - on it's already moth eaten purse.

The blinkers are well and truly closed with absolutely no thought or consideration as to WHERE all the money comes from in the first place.

I will ask you again Kizzy...unless I have missed you replying to it already? What line of work/profession are you in - and why are so you keen so avoid answering such an easy question?

That had relevance due to the changing roles of teaching in this 'modern' society...

Personally responsible for what?....the failure to get kids to attainment levels that are unrealistic or face disaplinary action?....yeah, thats an attractive prospect...

Whats astonishing is that the government are allowing this to happen, they want a public backlash so folks like you will sa...Oh those naughty teachers....Its so transparent.

I am well aware of where the money comes from, please don't patronise me.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Wrong...I said I was not privvy to individual thoughts and feelings regarding the strice....
I am well aware of the general view of the teachers involved.

To be fair the 'What waste' comment was directed at livia, therefore I was a little thrown when you replied to that point...
The conversation had seemed to go a little 'off track' I was trying to bring it back
You suggested that you were as qualified as a teacher....And with respect it takes a lot more than a paper qualification to be a teacher.

Have you spoken to any teachers regarding this drop in wages?....Im guessing no.
Is that your serious response?...That decent teachers who don't like their salary and pension cut they can go work in the private sector....
Who will teach the children in state schools then?...

I don't think you have the first clue about teaching judging by this comment...
Teachers have an extremely stressful demanding job, if you disagree fine but your 'old school' perception cannot be applied today.
Times have changed there are challenges that teachers face today that 15-20 years ago did not exist...

If you noticed, I had also (even before Livia) made mention of waste - that is why I picked up on that. Besides which: the comments are open to all to reply to - it's not a one man/woman convo going on.

You were the one who made a big deal about teachers having to train for years as though it was akin to training brain surgeons ..... I pointed out that my qualifications allow me to teach - showing you that it's not some elusive club - any Tom, Dick, Harry or even Pyramid can enter the system if they so wish - if they have some remote semblence of intelligence. Whether that maketh them good or bad teachers comes only with experience.

If they don't like their chosen profession that they are moaning about - let them leave it then. It's not a hard choice. Plenty of people on the dole who would love the chance to take their place - and would be far more appreciative of having their jobs.


I love the way you jump in and assume. My best friend, whom I see every day, speak to every day - is and has been in the teaching profession for over 15 years. We discuss both her work and mine more often that I care to go into: and you can take my word for it that whilst she admits there are challenges, she doesn't agree with the proposed strike and compares my workloads to hers, my hours to hers and is eternally grateful to be where she is. I'm sure you won't like me telling you that, regardless of it being truthful.

Again... what is your own profession / line of work Kizzy.

In respect of the tone and wording of your own posts you are bordering, - if not overstepping the line Kizzy in respect of your comments which are progressively becoming personal and unecessary. I'm afraid that when you continue down that line: you have long lost the debate.

For the record: the word militant can be used as both a verb and a noun. In my view: your stance is a militant one - ie: a verb. That's my evaluating your stance on this. Education does make a difference after all, but hey: I was lucky enough to have been educated by the 'old school teachers' - many years ago, but still smart enough to retain that info that I was taught - ohh arrr...them were the days..

[joeysteele]

The number of MPs is going to be cut, by about 50 at the next election,so to be fair,MPs have included themselves in the streamlining process too.

As I said earlier, few people were expecting good news from the Govt as to finances for years, I agree some things may not be the best way, but sadly often there is in economics an 'only' way to go.The Govt has had to make decisions within the concept of the whole picture for everyone in the UK not just a little snapshot of part of it.

Teachers are not the only people affected, it would be great if no one had to be but this Govt does have a massive problem as to finances, it can be sorted but it will take some sacrifices from everyone, Teachers included.
Sadly for Teachers and the UK as a whole, strikes will create bad feeling and do the Teachers little good at all.
Not to mention the effect repeated strikes could have on children too as to their education.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

That had relevance due to the changing roles of teaching in this 'modern' society...

Personally responsible for what?....the failure to get kids to attainment levels that are unrealistic or face disaplinary action?....yeah, thats an attractive prospect...

Whats astonishing is that the government are allowing this to happen, they want a public backlash so folks like you will sa...Oh those naughty teachers....Its so transparent.

I am well aware of where the money comes from, please don't patronise me.

Believe me Kizzy, I am not patronising you. I don't have to. I am (in vain) pointing out repeatedly what you refuse to listen or hear.

Personally be responsible for improving their own teaching systems within the boundaries of their job roles. 'Times change Kizzy - and some need a good kick up the arse and learn to change with them - not against them.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The number of MPs is going to be cut, by about 50 at the next election,so to be fair,MPs have included themselves in the streamlining process too.

As I said earlier, few reasonable people were expecting good news from the Govt as to finances for years, I agree some things may not be the best way, but sadly often there is in economics an 'only' way to go.The Govt has had to make decisions within the concept of the whole picture for everyone in the UK not just a little snapshot of part of it.

Teachers are not the only people affected, it would be great if no one had to be but this Govt does have a massive problem as to finances, it can be sorted but it will take some sacrifices from everyone, Teachers included.
Sadly for Teachers and the UK as a whole, strikes will create bad feeling and do the Teachers little good at all.
Not to mention the effect repeated strikes could have on children too as to their education.

The elusive points that seems to be getting completely lost in transit - but so good that I wanted to highlight them.

I feel like I'm falling into the twilight zone here!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I wasn't talking about nurses I quite clearly said paramedics.

The first part of your post is just banging on with the same misguided, misinformed nonsense as before, so I will just answer your latest swerve.

You obviously have no idea what councillors do. Do you know what they're paid? It's around £4000 a year. They're on call ALL the time, their contact details are published and people in their wards call them all the time and they're expected to help when they're needed. They're not paid a massive salary and a pension. Perhaps if people - like yourself - who are so disillusioned with everything fought and won a council seat, you'd be able to put the world right instead of just moaning about it. Although I'm sure you wouldn't want to do what they do for £80 a week.

You know even less about MPs than you do about councillors. I would love you to spend a week in an MPs office just to see the amount of emails, calls and letters that are received. MPs have around 90,000 voters in their constituency. That's a LOT of people. Only half on them will have voted, and only have of those who voted will have voted for that MP. But he or she still has to represent every single one of them. You'd be shocked if you knew how much work passes through an MPs office. To suggest we should cut their number and increase the workload of already overloaded constituency staff is absurd and misguided. I'm surpprised they didn't teach you this stuff on your course.

It is my opinion...If you don't agree fine.

£4000 a year...ok...
Not like an MP then... Im not disillusioned, I'm diappointed.
Its annoying when people cannot see behind the scenes isn't it?...The hard work and planning ...constant evaluations and the stress and the pressure you are under for no thanks. It's just awful...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

It is my opinion...If you don't agree fine.

£4000 a year...ok...
Not like an MP then... Im not disillusioned, I'm diappointed.
Its annoying when people cannot see behind the scenes isn't it?...The hard work and planning ...constant evaluations and the stress and the pressure you are under for no thanks. It's just awful...

Did you actually vote Kizzy? I mean as in, if you feel MP's are such a waste, what did you vote for then? Your local Big Issue Seller?

People don't go into a profession to be thanked. Children are thanked when they do a good job. Intelligent adults do their job for a salary. Thanks are a bonus for a job well done.

That's the bit you seem to be missing. They go into a profession such as teaching through their own volition, their own choice: and (as bizarre as it sounds) - teachers received more than adequate renumeration, perks and benefits - it's called working for a living, not expecting hand outs right, left and centre.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If you noticed, I had also (even before Livia) made mention of waste - that is why I picked up on that. Besides which: the comments are open to all to reply to - it's not a one man/woman convo going on.

You were the one who made a big deal about teachers having to train for years as though it was akin to training brain surgeons ..... I pointed out that my qualifications allow me to teach - showing you that it's not some elusive club - any Tom, Dick, Harry or even Pyramid can enter the system if they so wish - if they have some remote semblence of intelligence. Whether that maketh them good or bad teachers comes only with experience.

If they don't like their chosen profession that they are moaning about - let them leave it then. It's not a hard choice. Plenty of people on the dole who would love the chance to take their place - and would be far more appreciative of having their jobs.


I love the way you jump in and assume. My best friend, whom I see every day, speak to every day - is and has been in the teaching profession for over 15 years. We discuss both her work and mine more often that I care to go into: and you can take my word for it that whilst she admits there are challenges, she doesn't agree with the proposed strike and compares my workloads to hers, my hours to hers and is eternally grateful to be where she is. I'm sure you won't like me telling you that, regardless of it being truthful.

Again... what is your own profession / line of work Kizzy.

In respect of the tone and wording of your own posts you are bordering, - if not overstepping the line Kizzy in respect of your comments which are progressively becoming personal and unecessary. I'm afraid that when you continue down that line: you have long lost the debate.

For the record: the word militant can be used as both a verb and a noun. In my view: your stance is a militant one - ie: a verb. That's my evaluating your stance on this. Education does make a difference after all, but hey: I was lucky enough to have been educated by the 'old school teachers' - many years ago, but still smart enough to retain that info that I was taught - ohh arrr...them were the days..

Ok..

Not true, brain surgeons have to train for a couple of weeks longer i think...

Really....
Where did you get they don't like the profession from?....

I offered my opinion is all...You can tell me what you like I'm open to the views of others.

I don't feel I have overstepped the mark in any way, I apologised for the horse comment that you chose to take offence to.
I have not won or lost anything ...I have given my opinion on a topic, as have you.

I disagree, and noun or verb I would appreciate it if you did not refer to me as militant again please.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Believe me Kizzy, I am not patronising you. I don't have to. I am (in vain) pointing out repeatedly what you refuse to listen or hear.

Personally be responsible for improving their own teaching systems within the boundaries of their job roles. 'Times change Kizzy - and some need a good kick up the arse and learn to change with them - not against them.

In my opinion you are.

By reducing their pay and cutting their pension?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Did you actually vote Kizzy? I mean as in, if you feel MP's are such a waste, what did you vote for then? Your local Big Issue Seller? :conf:

People don't go into a profession to be thanked. Children are thanked when they do a good job. Intelligent adults do their job for a salary. Thanks are a bonus for a job well done.

That's the bit you seem to be missing. They go into a profession such as teaching through their own volition, their own choice: and (as bizarre as it sounds) - teachers received more than adequate renumeration, perks and benefits - it's called working for a living, not expecting hand outs right, left and centre.

Are we still having a rational debate?...

Are you suggesting teachers int he UK do not do a good job?
What are these perks?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Ok..

Not true, brain surgeons have to train for a couple of weeks longer i think...

Really....
Where did you get they don't like the profession from?....

I offered my opinion is all...You can tell me what you like I'm open to the views of others.

I don't feel I have overstepped the mark in any way, I apologised for the horse comment that you chose to take offence to.
I have not won or lost anything ...I have given my opinion on a topic, as have you.

I disagree, and noun or verb I would appreciate it if you did not refer to me as militant again please.

I'm quite allowed to form an opinion on someone else's view: my view is that your stance is a militant one and I am quite a liberty to hold that view of your opinion. If you pay attention Kizzy - the one person who did in fact refer to you as a militant - was not I. Don't let a bit of good old fashioned fact get in the way of you not being able to handle a robust debate.

Originally Posted by kizzy

In my opinion you are.

By reducing their pay and cutting their pension?...

The one guilty of being patronising, supercillious, and facetious and rude, in many posts, I would say was you. Not I. That's my opinion - and never shall the two meet half way.

Originally Posted by kizzy

Are we still having a rational debate?...

Are you suggesting teachers int he UK do not do a good job?
What are these perks?

Rational debate ceased pages ago Kizzy when you continued deflecting, swerving, ducking and diving , pretending you didn't post things that you did in fact post, addressed points that people didn't ask you to, completely ignored specific questions that you were asked, when you blatantly refused to accept the bigger implications of the impact of such selfishness on the behalf of teachers. You don't have to agree, but to fail to accept or even acknowledge that any such strike action involves to the detriment, far more than the teachers - is proposterous.

I love good fiery debates with much rationale and reasoning as anyone wants to throw in. Regrettaby, that seems to have halted some time ago.

I'll leave you to it. What was an interesting thread was killed several pages back.

[Kazanne]

Cheeky bleeders,what other proffession get so many paid holidays,plus free pencils,paper etc,LOL

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Cheeky bleeders,what other proffession get so many paid holidays,plus free pencils,paper etc,LOL

The bastards get hunners of these for free.... too. AND in different colours.

It's a bloody disgrace ah tell ya.... a bloody disgrace.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm quite allowed to form an opinion on someone else's view: my view is that your stance is a militant one and I am quite a liberty to hold that view of your opinion. If you pay attention Kizzy - the one person who did in fact refer to you as a militant - was not I. Don't let a bit of good old fashioned fact get in the way of you not being able to handle a robust debate.



The one guilty of being patronising, supercillious, and facetious and rude, in many posts, I would say was you. Not I. That's my opinion - and never shall the two meet half way.



Rational debate ceased pages ago Kizzy when you continued deflecting, swerving, ducking and diving , pretending you didn't post things that you did in fact post, addressed points that people didn't ask you to, completely ignored specific questions that you were asked, when you blatantly refused to accept the bigger implications of the impact of such selfishness on the behalf of teachers. You don't have to agree, but to fail to accept or even acknowledge that any such strike action involves to the detriment, far more than the teachers - is proposterous.

I love good fiery debates with much rationale and reasoning as anyone wants to throw in. Regrettaby, that seems to have halted some time ago.

I'll leave you to it. What was an interesting thread was killed several pages back.

It is not...
You are having trouble with the fact I have an opposing view to yourself.
Can you provide evidence of my patronising, supercillious,facetious or rude posts, I would appreciate the right to reply to these accusations.?
I don't believe they are selfish. And have put forward my point as to why I feel they may be justified in their actions.
I don't believe it was, we just disagree on this issue, I have no intention of changing my view on this either. However I respect your opinion, my point is no less valid because it differs to yours.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Can you provide evidence of my patronising, supercillious,facetious or rude posts, I would appreciate the right to reply to these accusations.?

Originally Posted by kizzy

What type of contract of employment do you have?...sounds well dodgy to me haha

Originally Posted by kizzy

(reference my own comment about my own state education).....That was a long time ago...

Originally Posted by kizzy

Do you work in the public sector?...Im guessing no.

Why do people think teachers dont work in holiday times....haha its ridiculous

Originally Posted by kizzy

. Trying to discredit teachers by suggesting you could do a better job is ridiculous.


If that is how you feel about those in public service in the UK today I feel very sorry for you. And I feel you are very out of touch in your responses.

Originally Posted by kizzy

I am not...I can see perfectly well thankyou, you might have a better view if you got off that tall horse....

Originally Posted by kizzy

You suggested that you were as qualified as a teacher....And with respect it takes a lot more than a paper qualification to be a teacher.

Have you spoken to any teachers regarding this drop in wages?....Im guessing no.


I don't think you have the first clue about teaching judging by this comment...

Originally Posted by kizzy

I am well aware of where the money comes from, please don't patronise me.

See the ones I picked for your delectation.

Here endeth communication.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The bastards get hunners of these for free.... too. AND in different colours.

It's a bloody disgrace ah tell ya.... a bloody disgrace.

just think of all the voluntary work they could be doing in those LONG summer hols!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

just think of all the voluntary work they could be doing in those LONG summer hols!

And they get these as well.



and paints, crayons, colouring pens... I needed all of these things for my easter egg this morning.