[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

I know the law, it doesn't mean I necessarily agree with it.

We are suppose to live in a country where we can do what we want within reason, not be forced to do something against our will and then be punished if we don't want to do it.

We live in a country that we can do what we want, not within reason, but within the confines of the Laws of the Land in which we live.

I pay taxes against my will - should I just decide not to pay them and not be expected to be punished because I 'dont want to pay them' ?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

We live in a country that we can do what we want, not within reason, but within the confines of the Laws of the Land in which we live.

I pay taxes against my will - should I just decide not to pay them and not be expected to be punished because I 'dont want to pay them' ?

Just because it's the law doesn't make it right, the woman shouldn't be forced to do Jury Service imo, and the fact that your comparing taxes to this incident is shocking as they are not the same at all, you need to pay your taxes for the welfare of this country where as going to Jury Service is not exactly gonna give more money to the country is it?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Just because it's the law doesn't make it right, the woman shouldn't be forced to do Jury Service imo, and the fact that your comparing taxes to this incident is shocking as they are not the same at all, you need to pay your taxes for the welfare of this country where as going to Jury Service is not exactly gonna give more money to the country is it?

No it doesn't but that makes no difference. The Law is there for a purpose, whether we agree with it or not.

Much of my tax payers money is put into areas that I disagree with and is used to fund things that I do not benefit from, and never will. Why should I be expected to follow that particular Law then just because I don't want to.

It is exactly the same premise.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

The Law is there for a purpose, whether we agree with it or not.

I take issue with this. How about...let's pass a law whereby if somebody irritates you, you can bludgeon them to death. Another law which allows the government to pick dodgy looking people off the street and jail them without trial under the pretense of 'protecting citizens from dodgy people'.

The law is there for a purpose, whether we agree with it or not. So let's just sit back and allow these things to happen, yes?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I take issue with this. How about...let's pass a law whereby if somebody irritates you, you can bludgeon them to death. Another law which allows the government to pick dodgy looking people off the street and jail them without trial under the pretense of 'protecting citizens from dodgy people'.

The law is there for a purpose, whether we agree with it or not. So let's just sit back and allow these things to happen, yes?

Take issue with it all you like, that's my stance on the matter and it happens to be the stance of the Law by which this country is governed by.

If you don't like it so much are so abhorrent to having to comply with the Law within this country: you're free to exit via any airport, ferry port - you also have the option of train now too.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Take issue with it all you like, that's my stance on the matter and it happens to be the stance of the Law by which this country is governed by.

If you don't like it so much are so abhorrent to having to comply with the Law within this country: you're free to exit via any airport, ferry port - you also have the option of train now too.

We shouldn't have to.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

We shouldn't have to.

No one forces you to stay.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Take issue with it all you like, that's my stance on the matter and it happens to be the stance of the Law by which this country is governed by.

If you don't like it so much are so abhorrent to having to comply with the Law within this country: you're free to exit via any airport, ferry port - you also have the option of train now too.

Right, I just need a second to comprehend this. Because I'm gathering here that by virtue of you not responding to any of the points I made, you are actively sitting there saying that you would be happy to sit back and allow potentially innocent citizens going about their daily life to be jailed without trial because the state says 'they look dodgy', and for you to be able to bludgeon someone to death because they irritate you, all because that is 'the law by which this country is governed by'?

If I've got this right, you have hit a new low Pyramid...even by your standards this is something else. Hey, why not go the whole hog and turn the UK into a totalitarian, fascist run state while we're at it. After all...that'd be the law...no big deal.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I take issue with this. How about...let's pass a law whereby if somebody irritates you, you can bludgeon them to death. Another law which allows the government to pick dodgy looking people off the street and jail them without trial under the pretense of 'protecting citizens from dodgy people'.

The law is there for a purpose, whether we agree with it or not. So let's just sit back and allow these things to happen, yes?

Exactly Jack we should just stand by and let it happen, it's quite ridiculous really I think.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Exactly Jack we should just stand by and let it happen, it's quite ridiculous really I think.

If you and Jack and others feel it is so ridiculous: what are your intentions then?

What are you going to do to change the Law?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If you and Jack and others feel it is so ridiculous: what are your intentions then?

What are you going to do to change the Law?

Vote for a party that is actually up to date with the modern people and actually want the law done properly, sadly I haven't found that party yet and as im still underage I can't vote yet anyway.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No it doesn't but that makes no difference. The Law is there for a purpose, whether we agree with it or not.

Much of my tax payers money is put into areas that I disagree with and is used to fund things that I do not benefit from, and never will. Why should I be expected to follow that particular Law then just because I don't want to.

It is exactly the same premise.

This is the same law that lets murderers, paedophiles, rapists and rioters out of prison after 3 years, the law is a mess and alot of us don't agree with those sentences but by your definition it's the law so deal with it.

And Omah im not showing ignorance, im actually fighting for basic rights that everyone should have, this is wrong and out of order.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

This is the same law that lets murderers, paedophiles, rapists and rioters out of prison after 3 years, the law is a mess and alot of us don't agree with those sentences but by your definition it's the law so deal with it.

And Omah im not showing ignorance, im actually fighting for basic rights that everyone should have, this is wrong and out of order.

Yes, that very same Law - that very same one that uses your tax paying to put those people you mention through trials, (funded by the tax payer in most cases via Legal Aid), sentence them, pay all the respective court personnel, prison officers to feed them, house them, keep them warm, give them access to all sorts, then if bad enough: uses further £millions to give (some) new identities which they then reveal - and so it continues.

So I'm guessing then that when you start contibuting to PAYE, that you'll be holding back on some of your tax because you disagree with the Law that says you have no say in how much they take off your top line?

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Yes, that very same Law - that very same one that uses your tax paying to put those people you mention through trials, (funded by the tax payer in most cases via Legal Aid), sentence them, pay all the respective court personnel, prison officers to feed them, house them, keep them warm, give them access to all sorts, then if bad enough: uses further £millions to give (some) new identities which they then reveal - and so it continues.

So I'm guessing then that when you start contibuting to PAYE, that you'll be holding back on some of your tax because you disagree with the Law that says you have no say in how much they take off your top line?

No I wouldn't hold off paying taxes because it benefits this country, no matter what stupid things they spend it on.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Just because it's the law doesn't make it right, the woman shouldn't be forced to do Jury Service imo, and the fact that your comparing taxes to this incident is shocking as they are not the same at all, you need to pay your taxes for the welfare of this country where as going to Jury Service is not exactly gonna give more money to the country is it?

You are displaying a shocking level of ignorance - it's a complex issue, but please do SOME research .....