[Omah]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

You still can't force somebody to do something that they don't want to do, we're not Burma.

In the UK, the role of the citizen is not well-defined within the law, but one thing is sure - if the UK were to become involved in a large-scale conflict and conscription was re-introduced, YOU (but not me) would be one of the first to be called up to get blown to pieces on some god-forsaken stretch of foreign soil, whether you wanted to go or not .....

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Omah

In the UK, the role of the citizen is not well-defined within the law, but one thing is sure - if the UK were to become involved in a large-scale conflict and conscription was re-introduced, YOU (but not me) would be one of the first to be called up to get blown to pieces on some god-forsaken stretch of foreign soil, whether you wanted to go or not .....

But I wouldn't go, I would take the prison sentence as at least I fought for what I believe in, I will not do something that I don't want to do and I do not want to be in The Millitary.

And how anybody can defend this law is beyond me, we bang on and on about how the Middle East are not in touch with the rest of the world because of there crazy laws, yet look at what this country classes as good and reasonable laws.

Im starting to think that there's not that bigger difference between the Middle East and the UK.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

But I wouldn't go, I would take the prison sentence as at least I fought for what I believe in, I will not do something that I don't want to do and I do not want to be in The Millitary.

And how anybody can defend this law is beyond me, we bang on and on about how the Middle East are not in touch with the rest of the world because of there crazy laws, yet look at what this country classes as good and reasonable laws.

Im starting to think that there's not that bigger difference between the Middle East and the UK.

Live a few years in the Middle East, then come back to the thread......

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Live a few years in the Middle East, then come back to the thread......

Im not saying that there isn't a difference between the two, but im starting to think that they are not so backward to us as I originally thought.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Im not saying that there isn't a difference between the two, but im starting to think that they are not so backward to us as I originally thought.

As I say, go live in the Middle East for a few years: it's less to do with being backwards and more to do with understanding just how much Freedom we have here in the UK.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

As I say, go live in the Middle East for a few years: it's less to do with being backwards and more to do with understanding just how much Freedom we have here in the UK.

We have more freedom in some ways, but wait until all these new laws to censor the Internet kicks in, that's even less freedom to do what you want.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

But I wouldn't go, I would take the prison sentence as at least I fought for what I believe in.

If you took the prison sentence, the authorities would put you in with sex-starved neanderthal knuckle-draggers who wouldn't give a damn about what YOU wanted or what you believed in .....

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I'm forced to pay taxes, some of which are used to keep repeat pedophiles alive which I don't want my money being used on.

Uncivilised and in support of totalitarian, fascist states so long as that is the case in the eyes of the law. Just wow.

I had you down as many things, but not those. I have to say for once you have surpassed yourself. Like, really.

Originally Posted by Omah

if the UK were to become involved in a large-scale conflict and conscription was re-introduced, YOU (but not me) would be one of the first to be called up to get blown to pieces on some god-forsaken stretch of foreign soil, whether you wanted to go or not .....

I'd kill myself before it ever got to the state where I'd have to partake in national service, I can assure you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Uncivilised and in support of totalitarian, fascist states so long as that is the case in the eyes of the law. Just wow.

I had you down as many things, but not those. I have to say for once you have surpassed yourself. Like, really.

And? Am I meant to be offended by your insult? Sorry to disappoint you.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

And? Am I meant to be offended by your insult? Sorry to disappoint you.

It wasn't an insult in the slightest, I'm just quite surprised by your seeming support for fascist regimes and hypothetical totalitarian state-like laws.

I'm quite sure that if I were to suggest a law whereby you were banned from offering your opinions and ever speaking again, or else you would be hung, drawn and quartered, and it was passed, you wouldn't have so much support for 'the law by which this country is governed' then.

Honestly...from what you're saying, why don't we let any old fool off the street pass a new law which may of course endanger anyone of us, but let it pass, because of course that is 'the law'.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It wasn't an insult in the slightest, I'm just quite surprised by your seeming support for fascist regimes and hypothetical totalitarian state-like laws.

I'm quite sure that if I were to suggest a law whereby you were banned from offering your opinions and ever speaking again, or else you would be hung, drawn and quartered, and it was passed, you wouldn't have so much support for 'the law by which this country is governed' then.

Honestly...from what you're saying, why don't we let any old fool off the street pass a new law which may of course endanger anyone of us, but let it pass, because of course that is 'the law'.

You know nothing about me - only your incorrect assumptions - so why are you surprised?

What I am saying is that people who have no idea of the bigger picture really shouldn't get too heavily involved in conversations such as this one when they have so littel understanding on the matter but think they do not need to understand to be able to offer up some rational reason for the beliefs....- proven by your comment about ''letting any old fool pass a new law''.

That confirms your own lack of knowledge on the subject. It seems clear that you have not the remotest idea of what is involved in passing a new Law? Often requiring many years of deliberation / consideration / consultation by official bodies (including non governmental and independant ones) that are involved, the stages involved, the time that it takes and what is involved.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You know nothing about me - only your incorrect assumptions - so why are you surprised?

Let's get this straight. I posed some hypothetical questions to you, intended to question your stance on 'living by the law in which this country is governed', i.e. that if ludicrous, uncivilised, fascist laws were passed, would you still be in support of them, as after all, that is 'the law'. You didn't respond to any of these questions...therefore, I'm quite sure I can conclude that you would be in support of such laws being passed. That's not making assumptions.

Questioning laws and questioning government at all times is extremely important, otherwise we put ourselves in a position where things are suppressed and, as I previously stated, we end up living under a totalitarian state. Perhaps you're in support of that...I don't know, but I'd expect the majority aren't. This is why having the right to protest, free speech etc are so important, I'd expect however that you think these should be abolished, as we should live by the law and never question it or the government?

You only have to look at Hitler to see why everything I mentioned in the last paragraph is so important.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That confirms your own lack of knowledge on the subject. It seems clear that you have not the remotest idea of what is involved in passing a new Law? Often requiring many years of deliberation / consideration / consultation by official bodies (including non governmental and independant ones) that are involved, the stages involved, the time that it takes and what is involved.

Considering I'm doing an A Level where we've just recently looked into what goes into the process of passing laws, I'm fairly sure I'm clued up on what goes on. Of course the remark I made about 'letting any old fool pass a law' was entirely hypothetical, and you know...not real, or encompassing of actual reality. Hypothetical...but never mind.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Let's get this straight. I posed some hypothetical questions to you, intended to question your stance on 'living by the law in which this country is governed', i.e. that if ludicrous, uncivilised, fascist laws were passed, would you still be in support of them, as after all, that is 'the law'. You didn't respond to any of these questions...therefore, I'm quite sure I can conclude that you would be in support of such laws being passed. That's not making assumptions.

Questioning laws and questioning government at all times is extremely important, otherwise we put ourselves in a position where things are suppressed and, as I previously stated, we end up living under a totalitarian state. Perhaps you're in support of that...I don't know, but I'd expect the majority aren't. This is why having the right to protest, free speech etc are so important, I'd expect however that you think these should be abolished, as we should live by the law and never question it or the government?

You only have to look at Hitler to see why everything I mentioned in the last paragraph is so important.



Considering I'm doing an A Level where we've just recently looked into what goes into the process of passing laws, I'm fairly sure I'm clued up on what goes on. Of course the remark I made about 'letting any old fool pass a law' was entirely hypothetical, and you know...not real, or encompassing of actual reality. Hypothetical...but never mind.

Goodwin's Law just kicked in.

You are reaching a conclusion on what a person thinks when you know know nothing about that person. That's interesting.

Whilst I admire your 'passion' with all respect to you Jack ....An A Level? There's a very true saying about little knowledge being a very dangerous thing.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'd kill myself before it ever got to the state where I'd have to partake in national service, I can assure you.

So you say .....