[Ninastar]

that's true

I can't wait for the day that families with gay parents become a norm in society

[Niall]

I think its actually ridiculous when people try and fault gay adoption anyway. I've said it before in this thread, but its been shown that gay couples are more likely to provide a better upbringing for children than a heterosexual couple. And thats just one reason.

[Mrluvaluva]

It's true, and in relation, to what BD said earlier. There are so many people who have kids, just because they can, and neglect them in one way or another. To me they are the ones who don't deserve to have kids. Sometimes it's the people who cannot have kids naturally that actually want them and would commit themselves to giving a child a good and happy life. I don't see why any child should be denied that.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

that's true

I can't wait for the day that families with gay parents become a norm in society

Me too.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I think its actually ridiculous when people try and fault gay adoption anyway. I've said it before in this thread, but its been shown that gay couples are more likely to provide a better upbringing for children than a heterosexual couple. And thats just one reason.

Why?

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

It's true, and in relation, to what BD said earlier. There are so many people who have kids, just because they can, and neglect them in one way or another. To me they are the ones who don't deserve to have kids. Sometimes it's the people who cannot have kids naturally that actually want them and would commit themselves to giving a child a good and happy life. I don't see why a child should be denied that.

I agree with this. Always the best of people who can't have kids

[Shaun]

The only way that can make sense Niall is that gay couples adopting or using surrogacy are extremely determined to have children, whereas heterosexual parents could just (and I know this sounds awful) have one accidentally. But I don't think that means gay parents are generally better.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The only way that can make sense Niall is that gay couples adopting or using surrogacy are extremely determined to have children, whereas heterosexual parents could just (and I know this sounds awful) have one accidentally. But I don't think that means gay parents are generally better.

Yeah, I mean there are plenty of hetrosexual couples who can't have kids as well and are equally determined to adopt or use surrogacy to have children.

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Niall

I think its actually ridiculous when people try and fault gay adoption anyway. I've said it before in this thread, but its been shown that gay couples are more likely to provide a better upbringing for children than a heterosexual couple. And thats just one reason.

I don't think we should turn this into a 'who's better than who' argument. It defeats the object. Gay couples have as much right to adopt as anyone else but it shouldn't mean they provide a better upbringing. They should provide an equal upbringing. I know you didn't mean it to come across as this, but it could be construed as an 'us vs them' stance.

Again, I know you didn't mean it to sound like that but it sorta does

[Shaun]

Boothy wins, flawless victory. *gives him all the children*

[Niamh.]

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Boothy wins, flawless victory. *gives him all the children*

[Boothy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Boothy wins, flawless victory. *gives him all the children*

This calls for a celebration

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why?

Originally Posted by Shaun

The only way that can make sense Niall is that gay couples adopting or using surrogacy are extremely determined to have children, whereas heterosexual parents could just (and I know this sounds awful) have one accidentally. But I don't think that means gay parents are generally better.

I can't prove myself right at this moment, but I do remember reading about some sort of study into it a while ago. I'll search for it later and show you guys.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Boothy

I don't think we should turn this into a 'who's better than who' argument. It defeats the object. Gay couples have as much right to adopt as anyone else but it shouldn't mean they provide a better upbringing. They should provide an equal upbringing. I know you didn't mean it to come across as this, but it could be construed as an 'us vs them' stance.

Again, I know you didn't mean it to sound like that but it sorta does

Oh no I didn't mean it like that at all! I meant it more in the sense that those who go against gay adoption seem to think gay parents will be worse, but the contrary has been shown.

What I wrote was really badly worded I think.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Boothy

This calls for a celebration

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I can't prove myself right at this moment, but I do remember reading about some sort of study into it a while ago. I'll search for it later and show you guys.

As a parent and part of a hetrosexual couple I find that pretty insulting tbh. I don't see how a study could really prove that conclusively anyway when the ratio of Hetro sexual couples V's Homosexual couples is so different. There are obviously going to be more bad hetro sexual parents because they're are going to be so many more of them. People are individuals.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I can't prove myself right at this moment, but I do remember reading about some sort of study into it a while ago. I'll search for it later and show you guys.

There's always studies.

Studies that show you are 85% more likely to get cancer if you have milk with cereal.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As a parent and part of a hetrosexual couple I find that pretty insulting tbh. I don't see how a study could really prove that conclusively anyway when the ratio of Hetro sexual couples V's Homosexual couples is so different. There are obviously going to be more bad hetro sexual parents because they're are going to be so many more of them. People are individuals.

I never said one was proven as better than the other. I just said more likely.

And what you've said about there being more hetero parents is true and I agree with that, but I just think the results it found was interesting. I for one thought that a heterosexual couple would handle a child better than a homosexual one so I was kinda shocked by it stuck in my head.

[Shaun]

It sounds like the sort of study that's also contributed the ideas of red wine or red meat causing cancer, tbf

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I never said one was proven as better than the other. I just said more likely.

And what you've said about there being more hetero parents is true and I agree with that, but I just think the results it found was interesting. I for one thought that a heterosexual couple would handle a child better than a homosexual one so I was kinda shocked by it stuck in my head.

Personally, I don't believe that you can judge who can handle a child better based on a persons sexual preference, it sounds kind of ridiculous if you ask me.

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It sounds like the sort of study that's also contributed the ideas of red wine or red meat causing cancer, tbf

I suppose it was a bit of a crap study in retrospect. I just found it and read the article again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1208659.html

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Personally, I don't believe that you can judge who can handle a child better based on a persons sexual preference, it sounds kind of ridiculous if you ask me.

I suppose. Its all down to the actual person really. I just thought the study to be interesting given its findings.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I suppose it was a bit of a crap study in retrospect. I just found it and read the article again:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1208659.html



I suppose. Its all down to the actual person really. I just thought the study to be interesting given its findings.

Well this statement for example could equally apply to hetro sexual parents who can't have kids and who adopt or use a surrogate or to hetrosexual couples who............planned their babies....... :

Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents

[Niall]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well this statement for example could equally apply to hetro sexually parents who can't have kids and who adopt or use a surrogate or to hetrosexual couples who............planned their babies....... :

Gay parents "tend to be more motivated, more committed than heterosexual parents on average, because they chose to be parents

I know. I was reading through it finding little bits like that. The "accidental pregnancy rate" being "50% lower" in gay parents is also a bit of a silly thing to be commending too imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Niall

I know. I was reading through it finding little bits like that. The "accidental pregnancy rate" being "50% lower" in gay parents is also a bit of a silly thing to be commending too imo.