[Macie Lightfoot]

FvF is overrated and Cirie arguably played a better game than Parvati

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

FvF is overrated and Cirie arguably played a better game than Parvati

yea that make sense if Cirie ever played the game and had any kind of strategy and ever won ANYTHING.

Cirie was every bit as useless as Sandra, the only difference is that Sandra was a master at the social game. BUt yea, Cirie was pathetic and never won SHeeeet!

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea that make sense if Cirie ever played the game and had any kind of strategy and ever won ANYTHING.

Cirie was every bit as useless as Sandra, the only difference is that Sandra was a master at the social game. BUt yea, Cirie was pathetic and never won SHeeeet!

keep deluding yourself. For someone who claims that FvF is such a great season, you really need to go back and take another look if you think Cirie never played the game.

And why are you comparing her to a two-time winner if you're trying to prove how useless she is? And if Sandra's a "master at the social game" then how can she be a bad player like you're implying? lolololololololol Parvati fans are hilarious. Buying into the editing of CBS and using her as the standard for all female game players. Seriously Parvati fans are almost as bad as Russell fans x_x

[Marc]

Originally Posted by big brother usa fan

Well Here's some stuff that i found out about next season

It Might Begin with 3 tribes
There are at least 3 returnees, BUT They're going to be all previous medevacs, none will be Colton
It's in the phillipines

I think previous contestants should be able to come back on another season as long as they had to leave or were medevac so i have no problem with this.

Originally Posted by LemonJam

ugh, I hate previous contestants returning unless it's full out all-stars :\

This. But Perhaps it being medevacs.. might be good? They won't have a big target on their backs I dunno, but RI's have been pretty poor in my opinion because of the returning contestants.

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

All-Stars wasn't good and Micronesia's pretty overrated soooo yeah

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

FvF is overrated and Cirie arguably played a better game than Parvati

Let's not start this again , my opinion was that 1) all stars have been great in the past & 2) parvati was incredible. That's my opinion.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by Marc

This. But Perhaps it being medevacs.. might be good? They won't have a big target on their backs I dunno, but RI's have been pretty poor in my opinion because of the returning contestants.





Let's not start this again , my opinion was that 1) all stars have been great in the past & 2) parvati was incredible. That's my opinion.

And I said that the original All-Stars sucked, because it did. In general, All-Stars is a great concept in theory, but when it plays out it leaves many disappointed. The casting is never "perfect" and that leads to winners who weren't even All-Stars in their own right (Amber, Parvati, and even if you want to extend it to other shows, Eric/Danielle in TAR and Mike in BBUS.) Bitter people like Jenna Lewis go on a crusade to get the former winners out and then you're left with a bunch of duds at the end who were casting mistakes, and even the true All-Stars tend to disappoint with their gameplay, personality, just overall performance.

And Parvati wasn't as incredible as people make her out to be. Cirie was the brains behind most of went on in FvF, but when the medevacs and the surprise change to F2, she was voted off. If it was a F3 like planned, she would've won. The editors had to credit Parvati with a lot more than she really did because she was the winner and needed justification, but when you look at the moves themselves Cirie had a lot more control.

[SharkAttack]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

keep deluding yourself. For someone who claims that FvF is such a great season, you really need to go back and take another look if you think Cirie never played the game.

And why are you comparing her to a two-time winner if you're trying to prove how useless she is? And if Sandra's a "master at the social game" then how can she be a bad player like you're implying? lolololololololol Parvati fans are hilarious. Buying into the editing of CBS and using her as the standard for all female game players. Seriously Parvati fans are almost as bad as Russell fans x_x

I now understand some of your biased comments. We're all allowed to have our favs/non-favs. For example, not a Cirie fanatic... think she's well overrated.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SharkAttack

I now understand some of your biased comments. We're all allowed to have our favs/non-favs. For example, not a Cirie fanatic... think she's well overrated.

How were my comments biased and how does a comparison between fan groups show that? If anything it's being unbiased because like I said, Cirie was the one who got most of the moves going in FvF, with Parvati getting credit by the editors to justify her win. And the comparison between Russell's fans/Parvati's fans doesn't have anything to do with bias, it's true. The Parvati fantards are awful. With her "amazing" win in FvF, she's become the standard to which all other female winners are judged. They act like unless you're a young, attractive woman who uses flirtatious behavior to advance yourself further in the game, you're undeserving because you "road coattails and did nothing." Knowingly riding coattails is a legitimate strategy, but that's a whole different debate. Parvati's win unfortunately changed how people view female winners and suddenly she's the only "deserving one." People have forgotten about/discredit Tina, Vecepia, Sandra, Amber, Danni, and Natalie because "they didn't play the way Parvati did," as if there's only one way for women to play Survivor. When you look back on it, people forget that Parvati really didn't control as much of FvF as people like to think, and the fact that she wasn't even supposed to be cast anyway! Candice couldn't do it, so Parvati was the back up. Just like Amber, another casting mistake won an All-Star season. Nobody remembers Parvati for what she did in Cook Islands, hell most people don't even remember she was on that season. After FvF, people became to justify anything Parvati did as "brilliant" because she was playful and flirtatious, despite the fact that she made numerous mistakes in HvV and cost her the game. She wasn't robbed by any means, she did herself in. But since she's Parvati, people disregard her mistakes and turn them into brilliant moves just by her execution and performance.

All I have to say is that it's a miracle Kim (assuming she wins) is getting a halfway decent edit because that's a rare thing for women.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by lostalex

yea that make sense if Cirie ever played the game and had any kind of strategy and ever won ANYTHING.

Cirie was every bit as useless as Sandra, the only difference is that Sandra was a master at the social game. BUt yea, Cirie was pathetic and never won SHeeeet!

Cirie IS the best female player to ever play Survivor. Would have won twice. First time she lost because she couldn't light a fire and the second time because of the final 2 twist. If it had remained a final 3, Cirie would have won. Just like Ozzy would have won South Pacific if he hadn't screwed up in the last challenge.

Did you people even watch FvF? Cirie was the brains behind the whole females alliance.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

Cirie IS the best female player to ever play Survivor. Would have won twice. First time she lost because she couldn't light a fire and the second time because of the final 2 twist. If it had remained a final 3, Cirie would have won. Just like Ozzy would have won South Pacific if he hadn't screwed up in the last challenge.

Did you people even watch FvF? Cirie was the brains behind the whole females alliance.

Are you really comparing Cirie to Ozzy? Because that's foolish. Ozzy was voted out twice that season, he didn't deserve to win whatsoever. His whole strategy from the merge was to win Challenges to get to the end. That backfired as we saw, nothing special.

[SoBig]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Are you really comparing Cirie to Ozzy? Because that's foolish. Ozzy was voted out twice that season, he didn't deserve to win whatsoever. His whole strategy from the merge was to win Challenges to get to the end. That backfired as we saw, nothing special.

I'm not comparing Cirie to Ozzy. Cirie is one of the top 3 strategist/manipulators in Survivor History. All I'm saying is that if they had both made it to the finals they would have won pretty easily. Blaming Ozzy for being voted twice after the merge is foolish. Physical threats are always the first to go. Especially someone like Ozzy who has a reputation as being one of the best in challenges. He will always have a target on his back. Winning 9 out of 11 challenges in South Pacific is IMPRESSIVE.

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

No, his edit's far from it -_____- If anything, Troyzan's edit is turning into a Terry Deitz edit. And considering he was one of the worst people to ever grace our television screens, this is going to be painful to watch until he's voted off.

Yea, it is similar Terry. But how in the world was Terry one of the worst people to ever grace our tv screens? He had a great story going for him. Its easy to root for an underdog.

Another thing I don't get all this Troyzan hate. Half of the people that watch Survivor would act the same way he is acting if they were in his situation. Every single person out there wants him gone and they are letting him know it.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by SoBig

I'm not comparing Cirie to Ozzy. Cirie is one of the top 3 strategist/manipulators in Survivor History. All I'm saying is that if they had both made it to the finals they would have won pretty easily. Blaming Ozzy for being voted twice after the merge is foolish. Physical threats are always the first to go. Especially someone like Ozzy who has a reputation as being one of the best in challenges. He will always have a target on his back. Winning 9 out of 11 challenges in South Pacific is IMPRESSIVE.


Yea, it is similar Terry. But how in the world was Terry one of the worst people to ever grace our tv screens? He had a great story going for him. Its easy to root for an underdog.

Another thing I don't get all this Troyzan hate. Half of the people that watch Survivor would act the same way he is acting if they were in his situation. Every single person out there wants him gone and they are letting him know it.

But Ozzy also brings some of the target upon himself with his attitude and how he carries himself. How can you not hold being voted off three times against someone when the point of the game is to be the last one standing. Ozzy lost THREE TIMES, you can't justify that he deserves to win. Would he have won? Sure. Did he deserve it? Hell to the ****ing no.

And I guess it's as easy to root for a misogynistic, incompetent asshole as it is to root for an underdog, since Terry was both of those things.

And there are multiple reasons why people hat Troyzan. Once again, it has to do with how you carry yourself and Troyzan did not carry himself well at all. He yells and fights and curses at the women, but then is surprised when they won't flip to his side? Shows how great of a player he is to think that they would actually flip. Likewise, he criticizes Christina/Alicia for sticking in an alliance when they're at the bottom when he planned on sticking with New Salani to the end when the core group was SO MUCH MORE OBVIOUS than it currently is. Clearly the women were a suballiance in the New Salani alliance, whereas Kat/Chelsea/Sabrina/Kim isn't as obvious in the women's alliance right now. Also, Troyzan fell for the oldest trick in the book (I heard X is coming after you, let's vote X out) and voted out a man in his New Salani alliance, making the divide even more clear. He was his own downfall and he's not taking it well at all.