[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well I would assume it's not going to be anyway effective if it doesn't actually hurt the child, and I would never want to physically hurt my children.

If it wasn't effective for some children....some parents wouldn't do it.

Most don't tend to do it always out of temper / anger - what works for you and your children doesn't mean that will work for other parents and their children.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If it wasn't effective for some children....some parents wouldn't do it.

Most don't tend to do it always out of temper / anger - what works for you and your children doesn't mean that will work for other parents and their children.

I'm sure slapping is effective...... I just think there are better ways to discipline then to get physical with a child. And how do you know whether most tend to do it out of anger or not btw?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sure slapping is effective...... I just think there are better ways to discipline then to get physical with a child. And how do you know whether most tend to do it out of anger or not btw?

There may indeed be other ways that may be more effective: and there may not be.

How do you know that isn't the case, that most tend to do it out of anger btw...... do you know this for 100% certainty? I don't but it is my opinion regardless, because I have friends who admit to it and who have been embarrassed and ashamed and have tried to explain why they did what they did. That's why I have my opinion.

What works for one parent, doesn't work for another. What works for one child, may not work for another.

No one is saying one way is right, or the other way is wrong: it's about accepting that other people DO have an opinion Niamh which you may not necessarily agree with - a person and will have an opinion without being a parent themselves. Not all parents are expert parents - if there was such a thing: someone would be bottling it, selling it and making an absolute fortune.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

There may indeed be other ways that may be more effective: and there may not be.

How do you know that isn't the case, that most tend to do it out of anger btw...... do you know this for 100% certainty? I don't but it is my opinion regardless, because I have friends who admit to it and who have been embarrassed and ashamed and have tried to explain why they did what they did. That's why I have my opinion.

What works for one parent, doesn't work for another. What works for one child, may not work for another.

No one is saying one way is right, or the other way is wrong: it's about accepting that other people DO have an opinion Niamh which you may not necessarily agree with - a person and will have an opinion without being a parent themselves. Not all parents are expert parents - if there was such a thing: someone would be bottling it, selling it and making an absolute fortune.

I just find it strange that the only form of physical violence that our society accepts, is against our own children. I don't believe that's ever acceptable, and I'm quite happy to say I think it's wrong.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just find it strange that the only form of physical violence that our society accepts, is against our own children. I don't believe that's ever acceptable, and I'm quite happy to say I think it's wrong.

A gentle smack on the hand is hardly violence. To call it violence is a highly dramatic imo, and I'm quite happy to say I think that to equate a gentle smack as violence, is wrong.

I don't think it is strange. You do. Viva la difference and all that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

A gentle smack on the hand is hardly violence. To call it violence is a highly dramatic imo, and I'm quite happy to say I think that to equate a gentle smack as violence, is wrong.

I don't think it is strange. You do. Viva la difference and all that.

A "gentle" smack? Again........for it to have any kind of effective on the child it has to hurt them
I don't agree with hitting old people or disabled people either, am I right about that? I see no difference with hitting kids, they're all the most vulnerable members of our society.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A "gentle" smack? Again........for it to have any kind of effective on the child it has to hurt them
I don't agree with hitting old people or disabled people either, am I right about that? I see no difference with hitting kids, they're all the most vulnerable members of our society.

So..you don't agree with me, is there any particular reason for you labouring your point Niamh?

This is not about old people, nor is it about diabled children. It is about young children who some people may chose to smack as a form of discipline and discussing that.

Your opinion isn't right or wrong - neither is mine. But you appear to be coming across as though you think your way is the only correct way. It's not - it is what you believe, and what some others believe. It's not an opinion I agree on, and I don't happen to be alone in my opinion.

There really is no point in going round in circles - we disagree for the reasons we both have stated. That's the way it works sometimes.