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oh fack off
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To all of those on here who constantly moan about our justice system being too 'weak' and 'soft', how about this?
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I think it's certainly an interesting way of doing things, perhaps we should be taking a leaf out of their book? Thoughts? |
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Focus
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o.O
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Pyramid*
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My thought is that, regrettably, I lost interest when I saw how long the article is.
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oh fack off
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Likes cars that go boom
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If we do get that here I will be robbing a bank then sitting in the nearest bar waiting to be arrested ...
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It might sound ridiculous but I think it's a far better attempt at rehabilitating prisoners than we have here. Our system is based more around vindication rather than looking at the future and rehabilitating prisoners. That reflects the wider population I think. We lean more towards "BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!!!!" than "let's fix this prisoner so they don't do it again" - and judging by the recidivism figures given, perhaps their attitude is better than ours. Interesting article, thank you for sharing Jack!
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Yeah we could learn a lot from Norway's justice system, there's a reason they have such a low crime rate, so few prisoners, and such a low reoffending rate compared to most countries
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Pyramid*
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There's a pretty low crime rate & pretty low reoffending rate in Saudi Arabia in comparison to most countries - perhaps we could (conversely) learn a lot from Saudi Arabia?
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Yeah but then they rule through fear of religious consequences, do they not? That wouldn't work in the UK because we're not a very religious country anymore, and anything threatening violence would doubtless breach EU laws?
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All hail the Moyesiah
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If you want to live in a country where women are banned from driving, people are still being beheaded for sorcery, public displays of affection are a crime etc. then you could argue that yes, although I'd rather we went the other way and used rehabilitation as a means to reduce crime with it being beneficial to everyone
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Pyramid*
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Without 'violence' - life in Arab jails is tough. Most who experience it rarely want a 2nd trip. I know it's an extreme 'reply' - and no, I don't agree with all of such ways of dealing with crime: I'm only making the case for 'Norway' being so good and the stats proving that: the stats also prove the same for a far stricter prisoning system. |
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Pyramid*
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I have, and I still hold that same view. Can you say the same? |
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Pyramid*
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Likes cars that go boom
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To be fair then our system is a happy medium... And still we have the homeless taking up places in jails as it provides warmth, shelter and food (better than your average primary school)...
If we had norways model that would increase in my opinion...Lets keep prisons for real criminals and help our homeless off the streets.
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Pyramid*
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That's a another thing though: we all have very different opinions on what we regard as 'real criminals'. If people were adequately punished for any crime: they'd learn and wouldn't want to re-offend - but as you can see: it doesn't put them off for very long. Quote:
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Banned
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I admire Norway's philosophies as I do think Rehibilitation is important and the UK doesn't put enough stock in it. I'll be very interested to see in the future what the prison's stats are like. I think if it proves successful then once the economy becomes more stable we should perhaps trial it. If Norway's approach works and can be adapted to other ccountries then why not try it?
As for the whole Shariah Law Vs Rehibilitation debate, if both are successful then why would you opt to defend the former? It seems a little bloodthirsty to me to support the more violent option if the rehibilitation method is just as viable. |
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Pyramid*
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Because I chose to put forth an alternative which works equally as well - without pandering to criminals. I don't see why criminals should be cossetted and have their little feathers all fluffed up - jail is meant to be punishment. I'd far a basic prison service that actually punishes - not through violence which you appear to have assumed - I mentioned nothing about violence being part of that punishment in any of my posts, you however have chosen to make a wrong assumption and read into my posts, something that I did not make mention of. Indeed I actually spoke not of defending the violence: right here.... Quote:
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Likes cars that go boom
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It was found I think that 'old school' prisons for want of a better term created more problems than they solved , inmates came out institutionalised and psychologically unable to integrate back into society...
We cannot go backwards to those times, or follow the harsh regime of other nations. A graduated response via ongoing assessments would determine who is mad, bad or dangerous to know,and what measures need to be but in place to minimise the risk of re-offending... I guess you could call this rehabilitation, but the difference is I don't believe it is a viable option for all. Resources should be pooled into those who have the greatest chance of 'going straight' (as in criminality not sexuality)
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Pyramid*
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Whilst I understand exactly what you mean, and I so wish it was workable: the amount of rehabiliation that goes on in our prisons currently: (Jon Venables as an example and there are many others too) - I don't see it being as effective as we would hope and wish it to be. Last edited by Pyramid*; 20-05-2012 at 01:06 PM. |
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No our prisons need to go the American Way
so prisoners work each day. that makes sense. Last edited by arista; 20-05-2012 at 01:13 PM. |
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Pyramid*
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Ken Clarke would agree with you. I do too. Quote:
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Likes cars that go boom
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People in UK prisons work arista...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011...n_1107766.html Some more info on rehab.. http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/biscore...rehabilitation
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All hail the Moyesiah
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There might be no figures for Halden's reoffending rate but if you look at this article yesterday from the BBC about the prison island of Bastoey in Norway:
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"People in UK prisons work arista..."
Sure Some do but this is Bigger Wide Scale Work System. |
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