[ChristmasNeeve]

I love the fact there are no ads

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love the fact there are no ads

There are loads of BBC ads,




On SkyMoviesHD or MGMHD
once a film starts - No Ads
Non stop film.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by arista

There are loads of BBC ads,




On SkyMoviesHD or MGMHD
once a film starts - No Ads
Non stop film.

They only advertise their own programs though and it's only in between shows, it's not like say ITV where theres about 4 breaks during a one hour show.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by arista

There are loads of BBC ads,




On SkyMoviesHD or MGMHD
once a film starts - No Ads
Non stop film.

Not during a program though

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not during a program though

They wouldn't need to interrupt a programme though, I bet there are advertisers who would be chomping at the bit to get a top and tail section at the start and end of Eastenders for instance and for many BBC programmes, especially Strictly and major Sports events in the same way.

Sky films don't interrupt the film usually, they show ads at the start and end.The BBC doesn't need to go down that route of interrupting a programme with ads.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They wouldn't need to interrupt a programme though, I bet there are advertisers who would be chomping at the bit to get a top and tail section at the start and end of Eastenders for instance and for many BBC programmes, especially Strictly and major Sports events in the same way.

Sky films don't interrupt the film usually, they show ads at the start and end.The BBC doesn't need to go down that route of interrupting a programme with ads.

Advertising only at the beginning/ends of programmes would reduce the funds by over 75%. It's basic maths. How would they make enough money to continue to make the quality programming that they do?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Advertising only at the beginning/ends of programmes would reduce the funds by over 75%. It's basic maths. How would they make enough money to continue to make the quality programming that they do?

I disagree,I know of several companies who would love to get their ads on the BBC before and after,as I said Eastenders, there are also the advent of placement,less intrusive ads that could be incorporated into the programming too.

It won't be easy I admit for the BBC but then it isn't for all the other companies too who have to do that with no public handout., in fact I feel to get the real quality advertisers, the BBC and it's quality could even improve as to its core programming to attract such advertising.

With advertising we have now more choice of channels than ever before and they all manage. Without the commercial advertising channels all we would have is the BBC.
It is time they found out what it's like to compete in the real world and 'earn' its income too.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I disagree,I know of several companies who would love to get their ads on the BBC before and after,as I said Eastenders, there are also the advent of placement,less intrusive ads that could be incorporated into the programming too.

It won't be easy I admit for the BBC but then it isn't for all the other companies too who have to do that with no public handout., in fact I feel to get the real quality advertisers, the BBC and it's quality could even improve as to its core programming to attract such advertising.

With advertising we have now more choice of channels than ever before and they all manage. Without the commercial advertising channels all we would have is the BBC.
It is time they found out what it's like to compete in the real world and 'earn' its income too.

That's quite ridiculous. I'll find it hard to reply to this without patronising you, so I'm happy to agree to disagree.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is time they found out what it's like to compete in the real world and 'earn' its income too.

No. Just no.

We should all be proud that we all pay into and effectively share an institution collectively, which can be enjoyed by not only everyone in the UK, but in many places around the world. An institution that has its content and programming as its main, primary focus, rather than yet another organisation owned by a Rupert Murdoch type only interested in profit and more importantly, shoving its own political allegiance down our throats.

God forbid that ever happens to the BBC. Just imagine it...The Sun TV. Or how about the UK's version of Fox News?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I love the fact there are no ads

No ads but everyone has to pay £145 every year until they are 75.
They wouldn't need to show ads in between programmes though, (they show plenty ads for TV Licensing though).

I accept people like that fact but I think given the choice of ads and getting £145 into their pockets every year would outweigh that niggle.
Ironically I have found as many of the really well off people also want the Licence fee abolished as do the people on middle and low incomes.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No ads but everyone has to pay £145 every year until they are 75.
They wouldn't need to show ads in between programmes though, (they show plenty ads for TV Licensing though).

I accept people like that fact but I think given the choice of ads and getting £145 into their pockets every year would outweigh that niggle.
Ironically I have found as many of the really well off people also want the Licence fee abolished as do the people on middle and low incomes.

That's incorrect Joey.

There are all sorts of concessions.

Patients in hospitals don't pay.

People in care homes that have a tv room - one tv - don't pay.

those in care homes have reduced payments if they have TV for sole use.

Prisoners don't pay - CRIMINALS who suck the system on all counts.

Young offenders don't pay. as above.

There are a great many types that don't have to pay.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's incorrect Joey.

There are all sorts of concessions.

Patients in hospitals don't pay.

People in care homes that have a tv room - one tv - don't pay.

those in care homes have reduced payments if they have TV for sole use.

Prisoners don't pay - CRIMINALS who suck the system on all counts.

Young offenders don't pay. as above.

There are a great many types that don't have to pay.

**** me, Pyra, if the prison system was as easy as denying prisoners any kind of existence, then there are countries on eart that should have precisely zero prisoners. But there aren't. Lets see how far locking prisoners up in their cells for 24 hours a day without any stimulus gets us? They would be rioting constantly. It's one thing restricting prisoners freedoms and trying to re-educate them, it's another thing altogether to try and strip away the things we need as humans to exist.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

That's incorrect Joey.

There are all sorts of concessions.

Patients in hospitals don't pay.

People in care homes that have a tv room - one tv - don't pay.

those in care homes have reduced payments if they have TV for sole use.

Prisoners don't pay - CRIMINALS who suck the system on all counts.

Young offenders don't pay. as above.

There are a great many types that don't have to pay.

Right,clearly I wasn't clear, I was talking as to people like myself who will have their own homes bought or council, on benefits or not who are under 75.
Obviously if nitpicking is now the order of the day there are people who will get to watch TV for free,but people like me up to the age of 75 will have to pay it.
The care homes will have to pay a licence just like the millionaire with TVs in near every room, Hospitals are likely to have to pay for TV licence too and also now in most hopspitals if you are in, you have to even pay massive amounts to just be able to watch TV anyway on those pull down TV sets there now.Even if they are in hospital and have a TV at home,despite being a patient in hospital they will still have bought a TV licence.

My reference, to clarify, was about people who have their home, bought or council, who are sick, working, well off or whatever,they will 'have' to pay this £145 yearly to watch TV in their own homes and only becasue of the BBC no other media organisation..

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Right,clearly I wasn't clear, I was talking as to people like myself who will have their own homes bought or council, on benefits or not who are under 75.
Obviously if nitpicking is now the order of the day there are people who will get to watch TV for free,but people like me up to the age of 75 will have to pay it.
The care homes will have to pay a licence just like the millionaire with TVs in near every room, Hospitals are likely to have to pay for TV licence too and also now in most hopspitals if you are in, you have to even pay massive amounts to just be able to watch TV anyway on those pull down TV sets there now.Even if they are in hospital and have a TV at home,despite being a patient in hospital they will still have bought a TV licence.

My reference, to clarify, was about people who have their home, bought or council, who are sick, working, well off or whatever,they will 'have' to pay this £145 yearly to watch TV in their own homes and only becasue of the BBC no other media organisation..

You don't currently have to pay yourself though. In effect, you are complaining about something that does not affect you, that has no impact upon you.

You are complaining of behalf of others that are affected?

Care homes do not have to pay for every single room. That may be down to the person to whom owns the TV set - it depends on the size of carehome, how many tvs are there etc... whether it is considered a business or not.

I'm not entirely sure Joey that this is one that you perhaps are aware of the ins and outs of.

Students, lodgers, tenents, owners of 2nd homes, etc: don't pay the same rates: if at all.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You don't currently have to pay yourself though. In effect, you are complaining about something that does not affect you, that has no impact upon you.

You are complaining of behalf of others that are affected?

Care homes do not have to pay for every single room. That may be down to the person to whom owns the TV set - it depends on the size of carehome, how many tvs are there etc... whether it is considered a business or not.

I'm not entirely sure Joey that this is one that you perhaps are aware of the ins and outs of.

Students, lodgers, tenents, owners of 2nd homes, etc: don't pay the same rates: if at all.

Pyramid. with respect, I know about the TV Licence,I and a group of students have over the last 6 months taken up helping people who have problems with TV LIcensing, I am fully aware the licence is for an address not every room, hence my point that multi millionaires can have a TV in every room in their massive places still for the same fee as someone who is 65 on a state pension with a TV in one room.
I am aware of that.
I also stated if you read carefully, that I said I paid as part of a group of us who share a house while at UNi, I may not pay the full fee myslef but I do pay it and when I am on my own after leaving Uni and home, I will have to pay the full fee too and will begrudge every single penny of it too.
What though does it matter whether even if I had to pay it yet or not, I would still be entitiled to having a view on it and help others who have concerns as to it.

I assure you I know the ins and out of this issue, I have battled as to the Licence fee from aged 15,I think it is ridiculous.

I do have to say I am surprised at your personal comment as to my lack of knowledge of this issue,I rarely get so deeply involved in issues I know little about, I never said care homes had to pay for every TV, I said they would still have to pay a Licence fee, I know they do because on of my Aunts is in a care home and they said they had to, not obviously for every residents room but for an address.
Tenants renting a room from a landlord will live at addresses where the landlord has paid the licence fee so TVs can be watched on the premises, I do research things you know.
All addresses that have a TV have to have a TV licence, that is the law.there is not much else to know as to having a TV licence than that.

A licence fee for an adrdress doesn't have to be in anyones name that even lives there as long as there is a licence for the address, regardless of how many TVs are there.
I think I know far more than you give me credit for as to this issue and I am massively surprised at that too.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Pyramid. with respect, I know about the TV Licence,I and a group of students have over the last 6 months taken up helping people who have problems with TV LIcensing, I am fully aware the licence is for an address not every room, hence my point that multi millionaires can have a TV in every room in their massive places still for the same fee as someone who is 65 on a state pension with a TV in one room.
I am aware of that.
I also stated if you read carefully, that I said I paid as part of a group of us who share a house while at UNi, I may not pay the full fee myslef but I do pay it and when I am on my own after leaving Uni and home, I will have to pay the full fee too and will begrudge every single penny of it too.
What though does it matter whether even if I had to pay it yet or not, I would still be entitiled to having a view on it and help others who have concerns as to it.

I assure you I know the ins and out of this issue, I have battled as to the Licence fee from aged 15,I think it is ridiculous.

I do have to say I am surprised at your personal comment as to my lack of knowledge of this issue,I rarely get so deeply involved in issues I know little about, I never said care homes had to pay for every TV, I said they would still have to pay a Licence fee, I know they do because on of my Aunts is in a care home and they said they had to, not obviously for every residents room but for an address.
Tenants renting a room from a landlord will live at addresses where the landlord has paid the licence fee so TVs can be watched on the premises, I do research things you know.
All addresses that have a TV have to have a TV licence, that is the law.there is not much else to know as to having a TV licence than that.

A licence fee for an adrdress doesn't have to be in anyones name that even lives there as long as there is a licence for the address, regardless of how many TVs are there.
I think I know far more than you give me credit for as to this issue and I am massively surprised at that too.

I think you are taking anything I have said way too personally - my comments are correct and valid.

With all respect: until you are liable to pay - and decide not to, and decide to make that illegal judgement on refuse to pay: and take your chance on being caught: I do think that it's somewhat unrealistic to have such a judgment on something that simply does not currently affect you personally, having an opinion on something is all fine and well - when you are not in the real life position of making a choice that may very well lead to you have a criminal conviction.

Let's zoom forward a few years when you are living in your own place.

Will you be paying your TV licence?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No ads but everyone has to pay £145 every year until they are 75.
They wouldn't need to show ads in between programmes though, (they show plenty ads for TV Licensing though).

I accept people like that fact but I think given the choice of ads and getting £145 into their pockets every year would outweigh that niggle.
Ironically I have found as many of the really well off people also want the Licence fee abolished as do the people on middle and low incomes.

Well, we have to pay a license fee but our national TV channel still has ads, so count yourselves lucky

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, we have to pay a license fee but our national TV channel still has ads, so count yourselves lucky

Well,I am 20 now, I hope I see the day when the UK TV licence fee is abolished once and for all and as I said, if I go into active politics after Uni, it will be a major time of my time in politics campaigning to get rid of it.

The BBC has had things, for me, too good for too long and it has wasted a great deal of it's income on many unneccessary celebrity wages and overstaffing programming too.

In this day and age it's ridiculous to me that people have to pay a licence to watch a TV they have bought, in their own home.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well,I am 20 now, I hope I see the day when the UK TV licence fee is abolished once and for all and as I said, if I go into active politics after Uni, it will be a major time of my time in politics campaigning to get rid of it.

The BBC has had things, for me, too good for too long and it has wasted a great deal of it's income on many unneccessary celebrity wages and overstaffing programming too.

In this day and age it's ridiculous to me that people have to pay a licence to watch a TV they have bought, in their own home.

I don't understand it at all. Think of what is happening in our country/across the world right now, and your emphasis is on abolishing the BBC license fee?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I don't understand it at all. Think of what is happening in our country/across the world right now, and your emphasis is on abolishing the BBC license fee?

This thread is about the BBC and its licence fee, what else am I going to talk about on here?
I have a massive social conscience and on many major issues,you have no idea what other things I fight for and believe in,this thread is not about them though.
In political life,if I go into active politics,I will be fighting and trying to change many major issues and problems for people in the Country and the World in general when I can as passionately as I believe in getting rid of this licence fee if I can do anyhting to hasten that.

What an extraordinary comment to make considering this thread deals only with the BBC and the licence fee and not those other issues affecting the world.

Having said that I do feel putting £145 a year back to people to do whatever they want with is not a trifling issue really.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This thread is about the BBC and its licence fee, what else am I going to talk about on here?
I have a massive social conscience and on many major issues,you have no idea what other things I fight for and believe in,this thread is not about them though.
In political life,if I go into active politics,I will be fighting and trying to change many major issues and problems for people in the Country and the World in general when I can as passionately as I believe in getting rid of this licence fee if I can do anyhting to hasten that.

What an extraordinary comment to make considering this thread deals only with the BBC and the licence fee and not those other issues affecting the world.

Having said that I do feel putting £145 a year back to people to do whatever they want with is not a trifling issue really.

My point was aimed at your statement that abolishing the license fee is a big part of your emphasis. You can't have too many areas for such things as you'll spread yourself too thinly, and achieve nothing. I find it astounding that this is a consideration in political life.

It's a populist idea. The problem, is that once this was done, there is no way to change it back. So let's see how people are when all that is shown on the BBC is Towie.

It's so short sighted, and you'll probably realise this as you get older. Sun headline populism doesn't make great politics.