[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It was bitching, not bullying. t's fine if Deana wants to get her own back. But there are limits. She almost crossed it last night.

Hmm, interesting. You wouldn't say that what the group did to Deana was worse than what Deana's doing to Luke? One the one hand you have a group of people all against one, saying some really nasty things, treating her really badly, alienating her, turning others against her. And on the other hand you have one person calling another Charlie and taking the mick because he wasn't fast enough on the buzzer and then lied about the whole thing? Incomparible in my view, Deana's been treat far worse than she's giving out. The group, including Luke S, crossed the line a long time ago and I think it's heartening to see her get a bit of justice, show that bullies don't always win, that if you bide your time you'll get an opportunity to even the score just a little bit.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Hmm, interesting. You wouldn't say that what the group did to Deana was worse than what Deana's doing to Luke? One the one hand you have a group of people all against one, saying some really nasty things, treating her really badly, alienating her, turning others against her. And on the other hand you have one person calling another Charlie and taking the mick because he wasn't fast enough on the buzzer and then lied about the whole thing? Incomparible in my view, Deana's been treat far worse than she's giving out. The group, including Luke S, crossed the line a long time ago and I think it's heartening to see her get a bit of justice, show that bullies don't always win, that if you bide your time you'll get an opportunity to even the score just a little bit.

But by acting like them she has become one of them. Why stoop to their own level? It shows she's not a nice person at all.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But by acting like them she has become one of them. Why stoop to their own level? It shows she's not a nice person at all.

Sometimes you have to stoop to other people's level to teach them a lesson, treat them as you've been treated so they understand the hurt they've caused. Yes, she could have risen above it all, forgiven and forgotten, but what good would that have done? Would Luke S change if she'd done that, would he have learnt that picking at people can be upsetting. And as I've pointed out a couple of times now, she's doing this on her own, not in a group like Luke S did to her. She's still a few levels above him in the moral stakes.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Sometimes you have to stoop to other people's level to teach them a lesson, treat them as you've been treated so they understand the hurt they've caused. Yes, she could have risen above it all, forgiven and forgotten, but what good would that have done? Would Luke S change if she'd done that, would he have learnt that picking at people can be upsetting. And as I've pointed out a couple of times now, she's doing this on her own, not in a group like Luke S did to her. She's still a few levels above him in the moral stakes.

Sorry, but i disagree. It's just as bad.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Sorry, but i disagree. It's just as bad.

You think it's just as bad to be picked on by one person as it is to be picked on by a group of people? If Adam and Luke A had joined in and took the mick out of him at the same time it might be comparable, but Deana Vs Luke S is not comparable to Deana vs Luke s, Connor, Caroline, Ashleigh, Becky and Scott. No way.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

You think it's just as bad to be picked on by one person as it is to be picked on by a group of people? If Adam and Luke A had joined in and took the mick out of him at the same time it might be comparable, but Deana Vs Luke S is not comparable to Deana vs Luke s, Connor, Caroline, Ashleigh, Becky and Scott. No way.

I's not the same of course, but i don't like either. I don't believe in revenge.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I's not the same of course, but i don't like either. I don't believe in revenge.

I do. Sometimes it's the only way. If you've ever been bullied then you'd appreciate how satisfying it can be to get your own back on the bully. There's no such thing as karma, sometimes you have to things into your own hands because nobody will do it for you. And if nobody takes action against bullies then they'll be bullies for ever. It's only when people like that are on the receiving end that they will ever understand how much they hurt people.

Have you never wanted to get revenge on someone for a wrong they've done to you? Do you not think those who do bad things should be punished for them?

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Sometimes you have to stoop to other people's level to teach them a lesson, treat them as you've been treated so they understand the hurt they've caused. Yes, she could have risen above it all, forgiven and forgotten, but what good would that have done? Would Luke S change if she'd done that, would he have learnt that picking at people can be upsetting. And as I've pointed out a couple of times now, she's doing this on her own, not in a group like Luke S did to her. She's still a few levels above him in the moral stakes.

Unless I have missed something, I don't think for a minute that Deana is behaving the way she is to teach Luke S a lesson on how she was treated. If she was doing that she would have said so to Adam and Luke A when they have told her she is going over the top.

Deana has let her mask slip a little IMO and we are starting to see some true colours coming through when she is not feeling she has to measure and control all her actions.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Unless I have missed something, I don't think for a minute that Deana is behaving the way she is to teach Luke S a lesson on how she was treated. If she was doing that she would have said so to Adam and Luke A when they have told her she is going over the top.

Deana has let her mask slip a little IMO and we are starting to see some true colours coming through when she is not feeling she has to measure and control all her actions.

Exactly. She thinks she can do what she wants. Did you see her telling Luke S to eff off? If she had spoken to me like that i would have given her a piece of my mind!

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by anniek76

Unless I have missed something, I don't think for a minute that Deana is behaving the way she is to teach Luke S a lesson on how she was treated. If she was doing that she would have said so to Adam and Luke A when they have told her she is going over the top.

Deana has let her mask slip a little IMO and we are starting to see some true colours coming through when she is not feeling she has to measure and control all her actions.

It's revenge for the way she's been treated. Luke S should ask himself why and if he doesn't like it then he should learn from it. No doubt he'll have the same attitude as you though, and put it all down to Deana just being nasty and learn nothing about his own behaviour in there. It's always easier to just blame others and not take respnsibility for our own actions. It's cause and effect though, Luke S' behaviour has caused this. Had he not been such a twonk, along with the rest of the group, then he wouldn't be getting so much stick. If he hadn't lied about pressing the buzzer, he wouldn't be getting called on it.

And even if it's not to teach him a lesson, Deana's still entitled to a little pay back.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

It's revenge for the way she's been treated. Luke S should ask himself why and if he doesn't like it then he should learn from it. No doubt he'll have the same attitude as you though, and put it all down to Deana just being nasty and learn nothing about his own behaviour in there. It's always easier to just blame others and not take respnsibility for our own actions. It's cause and effect though, Luke S' behaviour has caused this. Had he not been such a twonk, along with the rest of the group, then he wouldn't be getting so much stick. If he hadn't lied about pressing the buzzer, he wouldn't be getting called on it.

And even if it's not to teach him a lesson, Deana's still entitled to a little pay back.

You have misunderstood me. I am not condoning the way Deana has been treated in any way, shape or form but I believe this latest behaviour from Deana is just what it is. I do not believe she is exacting revenge for the way she has been treated as she would have told her "soldiers" that.

The subject of Deana on here is always contentious and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, mine being that that her change of late is nothing to do with the way she has been treated in the past otherwise she would have vocalised the point. I have said I dont believe she is a bully and Luke S is the master of his own downfall in many ways.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by Mumbles

Hmm, interesting. You wouldn't say that what the group did to Deana was worse than what Deana's doing to Luke? One the one hand you have a group of people all against one, saying some really nasty things, treating her really badly, alienating her, turning others against her. And on the other hand you have one person calling another Charlie and taking the mick because he wasn't fast enough on the buzzer and then lied about the whole thing? Incomparible in my view, Deana's been treat far worse than she's giving out. The group, including Luke S, crossed the line a long time ago and I think it's heartening to see her get a bit of justice, show that bullies don't always win, that if you bide your time you'll get an opportunity to even the score just a little bit.

Sorry but she has said nasty things about other HM's, she has tried to turn other HM's against one another, she has lied, she has bitched just like most of them have.
She didnt just say he wasnt fast enough or call him charlie the once has you seem to be portraying, she went on & on & on &on to the point where her soldiers tried to tell her to calm it down.
They thought she was going to far as well.

[Mumbles]

Originally Posted by Ellen

Sorry but she has said nasty things about other HM's, she has tried to turn other HM's against one another, she has lied, she has bitched just like most of them have.
She didnt just say he wasnt fast enough or call him charlie the once has you seem to be portraying, she went on & on & on &on to the point where her soldiers tried to tell her to calm it down.
They thought she was going to far as well.

What Deana's done still doesn't come close to the treatment she's had at the hands of Luke S and his gang. If she called him Charlie constantly and made buzzing sounds till the final day of the show, it still wouldn't come close to how she's been treated by that lot over the last few weeks. The fact that her "soldiers" have not supported her in her actions shows that she's taking this all on herself rather than relying on a group to make others feel small and worthless like Luke S et al did.