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Originally Posted by sampvt

Reading between the lines as an independant it looks like a middle finger but that wouldnt be chuffs way so we will leave the jury out on that one.

I think we can leave Chuff to answer for themselves.

And I would appreciate you not using reference to the "middle finger". Again that is putting words into someone elses mouth and putting ideas into their heads.

Originally Posted by sampvt

Why dont you ask me why she is vile,,,,,,,no need I will tell you. BECAUSE I SAID SO. I am after all allowed an opinon and my findings are based on hundreds of hours of vt,s and posts so dont ask me to prove my statement, my fingers cant type that much. You are going to have to take me on my word for this one, she is evil personified (not her person, her methods) so dont go saying I hate her, I dont, I hate her ways.

I admire your loyalty to your posting friend, its unfortunate that they need you to cover for them. And again, on the hate thing, don't put words into my mouth.

So back to the topic on hand, you are now are using the word "vile", mainly I understand to draw attention away from Chuff. But you openly admit that you are going on personal bias and are unwilling to elaborate?

Had you said that you "disliked" her, or that she was "unpleasant", or that you found her "disagreeable", then you might have a case for personal opinion alone. We are all entitled to those sorts of feelings. Its based completely on our outlook on life, on how we live, our hobbies and interests, the sort of people that engage us and what we see in ourselves.

For example, I dislike Ash. I find her unpleasant. I don't enjoy watching her and I don't find her entertaining. She seems to lack a basic education, or has chosen to ignore it, and her use of language is appalling. Those are my personal opinions and I have a right to them. I don't have to justify them, but I can, if questioned.

By definition, to say that Deana is vile, or that her actions are vile, is to say that she is disgusting, morally debased, depraved, or despicable. Which of course is a huge accusation and does require more than "because I said so".

In my opinion Deana has done nothing on the show that could be considered "vile”. And I believe that it would be fairly hard to prove that her actions have been vile, because you would have to provide specifics, without bias, which you admit that you are unwilling to do. She has been lazy. She has been argumentative, but so have all the others. She has bitched, but isn’t the worst. She has been twofaced, again that has been fairly standard. She has picked on individuals, as have others. However she was targeted for considerable time, by certain HM’s, which did make for uncomfortable viewing. Course she also has been part of the team, has laughed, made friends and taken part in the tasks. All told a decent HM.

Now to compare and contrast, I have already pointed to the actions of two other HMs, that had to be cautioned by BB. One of which created such a stir that OFCOM had to get involved. Comparatively speaking, that makes Deana a mild protagonist at worst.

And I too have watched BB, hundreds of hours of vt's and have read the posts, the same ones that you have. So forgive me if I don't take you at your word, but this is an online forum, debate is what makes it interesting.

So again I have to ask you to elaborate, give me something, other than personal bias, something that might help me to understand your point of view.