[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Which is already available in all manner of forms and resources: Given the amount of resources already available (see my previous post) - I'd say that it amounts to a certain degree of some wanting mollycoddled and having someone else do all the ground work for them.

I am also referring to the blocks that some job seekers place on being able to being offered employment: some i do feel limit their choices due to their own lack of flexibility - but use that as excuses for not finding work.

If I had decided I was only going to seek employment in a company that I did not need to use my car to reach the workplace , that was within walking distance of my home, that I would only work Monday to Friday and ony between the hours of 10am to 4pm, would not consider any other hours, would not consider anything less that £17 per hour and wanted flexi-time, provided me with health benefits etc - I'm pretty sure I'd have found it damned hard to be re-employed so quickly.

This is the angle I am coming from.

I agree you need to be flexibe. Otherwise you may not find the job you're looking for. I'm lucky i work close to home, but some people have to travel a long way.

[thesheriff443]

the goverment has changed things for job seekers,those that have been in long term unempoyment are put on a scheme that helps with all aspects of finding a permanent job!
if they dont go they dont get any benefits.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I agree you need to be flexibe. Otherwise you may not find the job you're looking for. I'm lucky i work close to home, but some people have to travel a long way.

Some do indeed Vanessa - when I hear about folk who have very long journeys each way to their workplace: it really does put 45 min journeys into perspective as being a mere blip.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

the goverment has changed things for job seekers,those that have been in long term unempoyment are put on a scheme that helps with all aspects of finding a permanent job!
if they dont go they dont get any benefits.

Something that I (and others) have stated is already available to assist the job seeker.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Something that I (and others) have stated is already available to assist the job seeker.

you keep saying some people dont want to work!
the goverment have taken away that option!
find a job or take further training or they are thrown off benefits.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

I'm not attacking Pyramid though. I just think this is a stupid and inflamatory thread and said so. Two people's experiences with jobs doesn't affect the fact that there aren't many jobs available and hardly speaks for the nation. Let it be 2000 out of 20 million then. Still a low percentage of people getting employed right? Yes? No?

And so what if Ben's a mod? That lifts him up to some honorary status does it? Bottom line is he's normal - just like everyone else. I still stand by my point.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Redway, please try to be a little less rude, there really is no need for it.

I didn't ask if you knew people who are unemployed, who had previously been employed having had perm positions.

I asked how many of your unemployed friends who are currently looking for work whilst signing on - vs how many are looking for perm work whilst doing some form of temp work.

Oh no madam Pyramid*. I just felt like showing up your illogical and unsuported conclusions and theories, you know?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Redway

I'm not attacking Pyramid though. I just think this is a stupid and inflamatory thread and said so. Two people's experiences with jobs doesn't affect the fact that there aren't many jobs available and hardly speaks for the nation. Let it be 2000 out of 20 million then. Still a low percentage of people getting employed right? Yes? No?

And so what if Ben's a mod? That lifts him up to some honorary status does it? Bottom line is he's normal - just like everyone else. I still stand by my point.

Originally Posted by Redway

Oh no madam Pyramid*. I just felt like showing up your illogical and unsuported conclusions and theories, you know?

No attack? Really - you're second comment in red above isn't rude or inflammatory?....

If you read the thread, you will find there are more than only 2 persons with the same view Redway. That does not mean their viewpoint is invalid -nor illogical. It means nothing more than you disagree.

You claim there aren't that many jobs available? How does half a million jobs grab you?

[Kate!]

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

give it a rest please.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No attack? Really - you're second comment in red above isn't rude or inflammatory?....

If you read the thread, you will find there are more than only 2 persons with the same view Redway. That does not mean their viewpoint is invalid -nor illogical. It means nothing more than you disagree.

You claim there aren't that many jobs available? How does half a million jobs grab you?

Yes they are. I know these are people's views on the matter. I accept that. I then went on to say that these opinions are illogical, stupid, ignorant and offensive. That's my opinion. I'm allowed to say that and I don't give a flying monkey's if anyone choses to be offended by that. I don't need anyone's approval to voice my views on the matter and if you take offense to that then it's not my problem.

And half a million isn't by any stretch of imigination enough when you have 2.6 million unemployed. Sure, some of this will be taken up by the lazy bastards who simply don't want to work but I'm sure will be outweighed by the decent people who genuinely do want to work.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

Originally Posted by Omah

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

Originally Posted by ukturtle

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

Originally Posted by Omah

True

Usually true

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

Originally Posted by arista

Redway
its not Just 6 people.

Look what Our Mod Down Under found time to post.

No One attacks him?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Thank you Arista.

I don't "attack" other posters but 1 certainly pointed out the invalidity of an assertion.....

[Redway]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

give it a rest please.

Kate.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

Fgs, I've bitten my lip for as long as I could.

Redway, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Pyramid, you've been back for a very short time and quite frankly I've stayed out of this thread, despite being offended by it, because I know you'll take great pleasure in knowing you've annoyed me. Imho you started this thread to deliberately be inflammatory and piss people off, the OP is nothing but a smug gloat about how things went extraordinarily well for you. You were lucky. I'm glad you found work so quickly, I wouldn't wish unemployment on anyone, its soul destroying. For the record, in my case it HAS been very difficult to find work, for many reasons that I'm not going to drone on about. Yet I'm still trying, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes. As for the inference that if a person really wanted to work then they could, that's bull and somewhat insulting. To reiterate, I really want to work, I'd give anything not to have been made redundant, I was unlucky. And eventually things will turn around and I'll get back on my feet again, through perseverance.

- imagines emoticon of banging head against brick wall -

give it a rest please.

Really Kate,I wish you the very best of luck to you in the future in finding work again, very well said too.
It is likely soul destroying fir the vast majority of people who are out of work,I agree.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You claim there aren't that many jobs available? How does half a million jobs grab you?

Looking for work? UK jobs map reveals best and worst places in the country to find employment

21 February 2012

The best and worst places in the UK to find a job have been revealed in a new study which shows there are as many as 80 people for every vacancy in some areas.

Looking at available posts and the number of unemployed in 50 locations researchers were able to put together the study to highlight the competition for jobs across the UK.

Hull emerged as the toughest place to secure a job with a staggering 80 jobless for every available vacancy while Stoke-on-Trent came a close second with 72 people unemployed for each advertised post.

Aberdeen in Scotland was found to be the easiest place to find work, with fewer than one unemployed person for every available job.

The Scottish city’s employment growth continues to be buoyed by oil and gas and the number of vacancies in the industry is at 18 times the national average.

The nature of jobs available also changes from region to region and Aberdeen also boasts the greatest number of available jobs in construction, followed by Derby and Birmingham.

Top ten places to find work


1.Aberdeen
2.Reading
3.Cambridge
4.London
5.Milton Keynes
6.Oxford
7.Guildford
8.Wycombe and Slough
9.Brighton
10.Bristol

Worst ten places to find work

1.Hull
2.Stoke-on-Trent
3.Sunderland
4.Southend
5.Wirral
6.Lanarkshire
7.Rochdale and Oldham
8.Wolverhampton
9.Middlesbrough
10.Swansea Bay

Call centre posts are more readily available in Belfast than anywhere else with the city having three times as many jobs in the industry than the national average, while Manchester leads the way for marketing and sales positions and Edinburgh is best for finance jobs.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/n...#ixzz25LwdFx1V

Surprise, surprise - there's a North/South divide for England .....

And the Scots are living on offshore resources and using other people's money .....

[Kate!]

Thank you Joey. It is very soul destroying, as someone who has worked ALL my life since leaving school, sometimes at two jobs to make the hours up.

It's also true, as soneone mentioned earlier, that the Government are now very tough on jobseekers and will actively stop peoples benefits if they think they are not doing enough to find work, or making excuses, being too picky etc. I don't consider any job "beneath me" however as I am office trained and have plenty of qualifications to support this then that is where I'm ideally looking. I'd happily consider retail work if I could get it, yet (as mentioned previously) actual direct retail experience is a must have, so although I'd be more than capable of doing the job, I would be unlikely to even get an interview. When the supermarkets are asking for NVQs in retail. They can afford to be very choosy, as there are so many unemployed. It's very much in favour of the employer.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Omah

And the Scots are living on offshore resources and using other people's money .....

What do you mean by that?

[Kate!]

Thank you Joey. It is very soul destroying, as someone who has worked ALL my life since leaving school, sometimes at two jobs to make the hours up.

It's also true, as soneone mentioned earlier, that the Government are now very tough on jobseekers and will actively stop peoples benefits if they think they are not doing enough to find work, or making excuses, being too picky etc. I don't consider any job "beneath me" however as I am office trained and have plenty of qualifications to support this then that is where I'm ideally looking. I'd happily consider retail work if I could get it, yet (as mentioned previously) actual direct retail experience is a must have, so although I'd be more than capable of doing the job, I would be unlikely to even get an interview. When the supermarkets are asking for NVQs in retail. They can afford to be very choosy, as there are so many unemployed. It's very much in favour of the employer.

[Jords]

Im with Kate. Im glad to see you back Pyra but sometimes you do talk tosh. Just because something worked out great for you and a few collegues who all have working experience under their belts, does not mean success can be generalized to everybody so easily.

[Redway]

Omah you have basically debased your entire argument. You can post all the statistics you want but what was the need in posting that bollocks about Scotland?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Lee.

What do you mean by that?

Scotland's top two business economies are based on oil/gas and finance .....

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Omah

Scotland's top two business economies are based on oil/gas and finance .....

And the bit about us using other people's money?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Lee.

And the bit about us using other people's money?

Us?

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Omah

Us?

Scotland

[michael21]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I have always said that if you want (hard enough) to work and want a job: you will get one - and if you want to work: you will chose the avenues available that will source work for you. I'm very pleased to have been proven correct on this one.

Myself and no less than 5 others that I worked with - within weeks of being given notice of impending redundancies - each and every one of us secured new employment even before our final working day.

Not one of us had to downgrade either on position/ renumeration /package: in fact, every one of us found employment which included higher salaries and better Company benefits than we had - after only one interview each - and all with different companies.

so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

did the company you worked for give a reason for the redundancies whar was the company name????????????

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Scotland

Edinburgh is Scotland's leading provider of chargeable financial services, which collect funds (from the public or other institutions) and invests them in financial assets - financial services, by definition, do not use their own money.

http://www.scotland.org/work/key-industries/

Scotland is the fifth largest financial services centre in Europe and the industry accounts for around £7 billion or 7% of Scotland’s GDP. The business and financial services sector in Scotland has grown faster than the rest of the UK over the last five years, creating 65,000 new jobs.

IMO, the so-called "financial services sector" is just another name for "parasites", wherever they are located .....