[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

For the sake of clarity... I hadn't noticed it either because I have that poster on ignore. It was only that someone pointed out to me that she'd quoted my post I noticed a version of the quote was in her sig. Coincidence... although I'm sure it'll be viewed as something other than that.

Ok, I will accept it was a coincidence. If you have me on ignore why would you care if I had quoted you or not?
I quite often agree with you, it's telling you only chose to respond to me on the one post I challenged your views.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely Livia,gutless and untrustworthy is exactly the words to use as to them now.

didn't you say you felt sorry for Nick Clegg earlier?...

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

What Alex says.

Anyway, I'm off to have a joint. I'll deal with the truth's B.S. tomorrow.

get off the drugs, get a job, stop being so abusive and hypocritical and maybe youll one day find the truth

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Redway

Funny that as the last word there describes profoundly what's in your head.

the drugs are clearly affecting you, badly

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

get off the drugs, get a job, stop being so abusive and hypocritical and maybe youll one day find the truth

HEY! we're here to discuss a topic, not attack each other or make judgements about each other's personal lives. calm down.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

HEY!, we're here to discuss a topic, not attack each other. calm down.

youve attacked mer personally , youve also name called people. the poster was showing off he is a drug taker, Ive a perfect right to say how pathetic that is. it is in fact illegal after all.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

youve attacked mer personally , youve also name called people. the poster was showing off he is a drug taker, Ive a perfect right to say how pathetic that is. it is in fact illegal after all.

i have not made any judgements on your personal life or attacked you personally at all. I don't know anything about you personally and i don't have any interest in your personal life.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i have not made any judgements on your personal life or attacked you personally at all. I don't know anything about you personally and i don't have any interest in your personal life.

You come on here and call everyone with a different opinion on gay marriage a bigot, that is offensive and bigoted in itself, youve also acused me of being untruthful.

as for this particular incident, this poster is promoting and showing off illegal drug use and yet you say nothing. time to to re-set your moral compass.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

You come on here and call everyone with a different opinion on gay marriage a bigot, that is offensive and bigoted in itself, youve also acused me of being untruthful.

as for this particular incident, this poster is promoting and showing off illegal drug use and yet you say nothing. time to to re-set your moral compass.

So you're saying smoking weed is worse than you being a hate-filled misogynist bigot? Sorry i disagree.

And calling you a bigot has nothing to do with your personal life, it's based purely on your comments on this website. It is in no way related to anything you do in your personal life, because as i've already said, i know NOTHING about what you do outside of this forum.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So you're saying smoking weed is worse than you being a hate-filled misogynist bigot? Sorry i disagree.

And calling you a bigot has nothing to do with your personal life, it's based purely on your comments on this website. It is in no way related to anything you do in your personal life, because as i've already said, i know NOTHING about what you do outside of this forum.

Did you listen to the song Alex, what did you think?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kizzy

didn't you say you felt sorry for Nick Clegg earlier?...

I said for the first time since August 2010,I actuallt felt a bit sorry for him in the context of being caught out with this comment he made, just as I also felt sorry for Gordon Brown when he made his bigot gaffe comment during the 2010 election campaign as to a voter.

That doesn't though mean I have gained a single gramme of respect for the Lib Dems under Clegg as to whatever their policies are now and aslo as to the extreme things they have supported fully in Parliament.
Coalition Govt should be aboput moderation and compromise not near total surrender of your polices and principles.

I voted Lib Dem in 2010, after being promised all sorts from near being stalked by their candidates and party canvassers as a student, I will be unlikely to vote for them again for at least decades.

As Livia said, they have thrown out near all they said they stood for and really believed in, to hold a miserable few Ministerial positions and to be able to say they had a say in power for 4 or 5 years.
Not everything they say is wrong and everyone makes errors and gaffes when making off the cuff comments or even in speeches at times.

I can have sympathy for that as to Clegg on this issue in this thread,however for his and his party's total betrayal of the trust that was put in them from those who trusted them and voted for them,I will treat them and talk about them in the only way I believe right after that and that is with total contempt towards them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I said for the first time since August 2010,I actuallt felt a bit sorry for him in the context of being caught out with this comment he made, just as I also felt sorry for Gordon Brown when he made his bigot gaffe comment during the 2010 election campaign as to a voter.

That doesn't though mean I have gained a single gramme of respect for the Lib Dems under Clegg as to whatever their policies are now and aslo as to the extreme things they have supported fully in Parliament.
Coalition Govt should be aboput moderation and compromise not near total surrender of your polices and principles.

I voted Lib Dem in 2010, after being promised all sorts from near being stalked by their candidates and party canvassers as a student, I will be unlikely to vote for them again for at least decades.

As Livia said, they have thrown out near all they said they stood for and really believed in, to hold a miserable few Ministerial positions and to be able to say they had a say in power for 4 or 5 years.
Not everything they say is wrong and everyone makes errors and gaffes when making off the cuff comments or even in speeches at times.

I can have sympathy for that as to Clegg on this issue in this thread,however for his and his party's total betrayal of the trust that was put in them from those who trusted them and voted for them,I will treat them and talk about them in the only way I believe right after that and that is with total contempt towards them.

Well i'm sorry you feel that way joey, personally I believe it is those lib dem ministers that prevent the tories from riding roughshod all over this country even worse than they have currently.

[arista]

"I voted Lib Dem in 2010, after being promised all sorts from near being stalked by their candidates and party canvassers as a student, I will be unlikely to vote for them again for at least decades."

But Everyone knew LibDem could Never Get Full Power.
so you wasted your Vote.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

"I voted Lib Dem in 2010, after being promised all sorts from near being stalked by their candidates and party canvassers as a student, I will be unlikely to vote for them again for at least decades."

But Everyone knew LibDem could Never Get Full Power.
so you wasted your Vote.

How can it be a wasted vote if their ministers are sitting in the cabinet?...

[arista]

Yes Kizzy but not Full Power
like he thought.


So Education you Pay.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Kizzy but not Full Power
like he thought.


So Education you Pay.

So? If it stops the destruction of the country then yes some policies fall by the wayside...It's for the greater good.

[arista]

Yes I knew it would be a Conservative - LibDem power
and its great that they set 5 year elections as the standard.

Dave and Nick
doing good.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

"I voted Lib Dem in 2010, after being promised all sorts from near being stalked by their candidates and party canvassers as a student, I will be unlikely to vote for them again for at least decades."

But Everyone knew LibDem could Never Get Full Power.
so you wasted your Vote.

I know that and agree they couldn't have.
It was my first vote in a General election, I could have never voted for Labour in 2010,no way.
I liked the Conservatives plan for the reduction of the deficit but was deeply suspicious as to them on the NHS, knowing a good few people who really relied on the NHS.
I was totally against the raising by at least doubling tuition fees so I couldn't bring myself to vote Conservative either.

The Lib Dems hounded students where I was, stating if the Conservatives got an overall majority,they would at least double tuition fees, that they would increase VAT, also make damaging cuts in the first year that would threaten any economic recovery and maybe take the UK back into recession.

Those 3 issues coupled with the promise and even signed pledge on one of them, that in no circumstances would Lib Dem MP's ever support those measures in Parliament won them my vote.
It was clear all through the election campaign from the polls that no party was likely to get any kind of working overall majority so I put my trust and faith in the Lib Dems to deliver those gurantees and promises.
I and some other students even had a face to face meeting with a Lib Dem MP who re-inforced those promises, yet that MP supported when the polices came to the the vote in Parliament,the cuts in the first year,the raising of tuition fees, not by doubling them but by trebling them and also the VAT increase.

The coalition has had it's chance for me,I really have no idea where politics goes from here, over 30 years we had firstly strong,(in the sense of good overall majorities),Conservative Govt for 18 years, we then had 13 unbroken years of strong Labour Govt. Both made massive errors and failed to set up the stability of good and fair Govt for all the Nation.

We now come to and have had a Coalition Govt that is failing on near all it set out to do.
Too many costly reforms, virtually no compassion to the weakest in society,pushing policies out, then having to re-think as to them again and further modifying them as opposition looms against them.
We are in a double dip recession that could last longer than the original one,yet all we get from the 2 parties in the Coalition is no change needed.

This is all likely going to see a Labour Govt with a majority win the next elction again, the Conservatives in my view, have no way of getting more than 36% of the votes in an election, the Lib Dems will be lucky to get 15%.they have certainly lost for a good while, at least 8% of the people who voted for them in 2010.
Students won't trust the Conservatives after the trebling of the fees, neither will they trust the Lib Dems for their long list of broken promises.

You are right though, I did waste my vote in 2010 on the Lib Dems, I know absolutely loads of others who feel the same.
Obviously,I will wait until the next election to see what are the results of these policies and reforms,the one for sure I will not do is vote for the Lib Dems again.
I am not a party political person, I see the good and bad in all parties,I believe in consensus politics and there are MPs in all parties that are consensus politicians,that is what I hoped for from this Coalition but they have been worse than the previous Conservative then Labour Govts of the last 30+ years put together,in my opinion anyway.

Oh gosh, just seen the length of this post, I better stop now.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by arista

"I voted Lib Dem in 2010, after being promised all sorts from near being stalked by their candidates and party canvassers as a student, I will be unlikely to vote for them again for at least decades."

But Everyone knew LibDem could Never Get Full Power.
so you wasted your Vote.

If everyone thought like that then no party would ever get a vote except for conservatives or labour. I actually thought libdems stood the best chance in a long time at the last election...yes I still didnt expect them to get a big enough vote to hold sole power, but it could have happened if everyone who could vote...did. One day it might happen that another party gets in, and I hope it does, but it will never happen while people think that no-one else has a chance at all so dont bother voting for them.

[arista]

"Oh gosh, just seen the length of this post, I better stop now. "


No its great you post so much.
Well done

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If everyone thought like that then no party would ever get a vote except for conservatives or labour. I actually thought libdems stood the best chance in a long time at the last election...yes I still didnt expect them to get a big enough vote to hold sole power, but it could have happened if everyone who could vote...did. One day it might happen that another party gets in, and I hope it does, but it will never happen while people think that no-one else has a chance at all so dont bother voting for them.

Vicky no enough people are Voting
so LibDems can only be in a joint deal.

The current voting style
means they can not get enough to take full power.


And if you were watching the TV debates
Nick did very well
so I do not blame you Vicky.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So you're saying smoking weed is worse than you being a hate-filled misogynist bigot? Sorry i disagree.

And calling you a bigot has nothing to do with your personal life, it's based purely on your comments on this website. It is in no way related to anything you do in your personal life, because as i've already said, i know NOTHING about what you do outside of this forum.

Greetings bigot. any one who dare disagree with the radical left wing agenda you have is labelled a sexist bullying bigot. youre against free speech, you care not at all about issues relating to other oppressed minorities, such as the disabled, the elderly, the abuse in care, the corruption in the health isnurance industry, the millions of aborted babies making us the abortion capital of europe, the eillegal wars we are involved in, corprate corruption etc...You say nothing...But you go wild about gay people getting marriage rights, which they already have? yet you ignore and fail to celebrate that fact?

you also ignore the FACT drugs leads to more drugs. You assume this poster who shows off about taking drugs, is smoking weed, you also wrongly assume soft drugs (if this is what hes taking) doesnt lead to harder drugs, which factually is totally wrong. a correlation has been proved so again you are plain wrong. Your narrow sexist male hating, agenda is utterly transparent. this is probably why yoyu come on here to find like minded bigots with narrow minds and narrow agendas. Disgraceful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

Greetings bigot. any one who dare disagree with the radical left wing agenda you have is labelled a sexist bullying bigot. youre against free speech, you care not at all about issues relating to other oppressed minorities, such as the disabled, the elderly, the abuse in care, the corruption in the health isnurance industry, the millions of aborted babies making us the abortion capital of europe, the eillegal wars we are involved in, corprate corruption etc...You say nothing...But you go wild about gay people getting marriage rights, which they already have? yet you ignore and fail to celebrate that fact?

you also ignore the FACT drugs leads to more drugs. You assume this poster who shows off about taking drugs, is smoking weed, you also wrongly assume soft drugs (if this is what hes taking) doesnt lead to harder drugs, which factually is totally wrong. a correlation has been proved so again you are plain wrong. Your narrow sexist male hating, agenda is utterly transparent. this is probably why yoyu come on here to find like minded bigots with narrow minds and narrow agendas. Disgraceful.

Can you stick to the point in discussion please? Start another thread about your war on drugs and crime.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If everyone thought like that then no party would ever get a vote except for conservatives or labour. I actually thought libdems stood the best chance in a long time at the last election...yes I still didnt expect them to get a big enough vote to hold sole power, but it could have happened if everyone who could vote...did. One day it might happen that another party gets in, and I hope it does, but it will never happen while people think that no-one else has a chance at all so dont bother voting for them.

Spot on vicky, if everyone shuffled allong with the crowd listening to the same worn phrases churned out by the same two parties for millenia how would anything ever change?

[arista]

But Kizzy the Voting System has Not Changed.