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View Poll Results: Abortion - right or wrong?
Right - I'm completely pro-choice 16 36.36%
Right - I'm completely pro-choice
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I support abortion but there needs to be a limit 5 11.36%
I support abortion but there needs to be a limit
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Depends on the circumstances (relative morality) 19 43.18%
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It's absolutely wrong - end of (absolute morality) 4 9.09%
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:59 PM #51
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Who says?

I think sexual intercourse could be primarily for fun if you like.
Of course it's for fun if you like.

What I'm saying is, is that biologically it is there to create offspring. Therefore, whether you want a child or not you run the risk of making one every time you have sex. Therefore, you should be prepared for that outcome.
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I think the individual is the only one with the ability to really judge the impact it will have on their life
..exactly, I think you either agree with it or don't..there aren't any ifs or buts..other than medical ones...
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Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.
Sex for pleasure isn't being a slut though, it doesn't mean you're going around having sex with anything that moves
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Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.
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Of course it's for fun if you like.

What I'm saying is, is that biologically it is there to create offspring. Therefore, whether you want a child or not you run the risk of making one every time you have sex. Therefore, you should be prepared for that outcome.
Nobody should ever have sex unless they're prepared to have a child? That's pretty crazy
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Most of the time those are called sluts, Claudia.
I think it's stupid for calling single people sluts though, the ones I class as sluts are people who have already got a partner but decide to sleep around the block 24/7.
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I think it's stupid for calling single people sluts though, the ones I class as sluts are people who have already got a partner but decide to sleep around the block 24/7.
So you're okay with people sleeping around with a different person every night?

okay..
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Lowering the limit to such an extent, wouldn't give the mother the chance to fully decide on the decision, and would probably lead to more rushed, regretful abortions...
Agreed that fully illegalising it will revert back to the awful back street abortions..
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I think it's stupid for calling single people sluts though, the ones I class as sluts are people who have already got a partner but decide to sleep around the block 24/7.
..those are people who cheat on their partners and don't have much respect for themselves...slut is a very overused word...
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Nobody should ever have sex unless they're prepared to have a child? That's pretty crazy
Not crazy at all.
Biologically, we have those organs to reproduce and keep our species going.
Therefore if you intend to use those organs, you should be mature enough to deal with the consequences.
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Mother of lol some of these responses.

I'm pro-choice.
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So you're okay with people sleeping around with a different person every night?

okay..
Well it's not hurting anyone so no it doesn't bother me.
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Mother of lol some of these responses.

I'm pro-choice.
Can you not cope with someone having a different perspective/opinion?
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Such an emotive subject. I personally could never have an abortion, regardless of circumstance BUT I do think that it is a completely personal decision.

Legal limits should be dropped dramatically, I actually do not know how anyone can abort a child at the upper limits now as the mother would have felt that child move by then..

I also can't imagine carrying a baby to term and then giving it up either.

What I can't believe is that you can have an abortion later than the already crazyily late 24 weeks for certain medical conditions which are not life threatening such as a cleft lip!!!
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I find the idea that people should only have sex for reproduction kind of funny, yes.
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You can have your opinions, he is entitled to choose to laugh at them as is anyone.
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I find the idea that people should only have sex for reproduction kind of funny, yes.
If that is in reference to one of my posts - that's not what I said.
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I find the idea that people should only have sex for reproduction kind of funny, yes.
No one's saying that you should only have sex for reproduction but if you're going to have sex at all, be prepared to face the consequences. And if you can't then why have it at all? It's just piss poor thinking.
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every abortion is a tragedy and is a dead baby. Thats just the truth of the matter. I voted for relative morality , give women as much option and info as possible, also allow the father to be a voice in the overall discussion. i would also reduce it from 24 weeks. a 24 week year old baby is pretty much a fully formed baby. whats the difference between killing it inside or outside the womb?

it needs to become less of a male v female issue. everything must be included in evaluating it. also I reject the suggestion its insulting to women to have more options available to them. I dont care a damn about offending women or anyone, we are talking life and death and ego must go out the window. obviously if the mothers health is at risk and abortion is the medical recommendation thats 100% fine. if shes raped and she wants an abortion, get it done as early as possible. but anything else I would fight to ensure the abortion clinic and all the medical staff take everyhting into account , including the fathers feelings about having his child being aborted, they should be offering all options to the mother, then within the limit she has the ultimate decision.

personally Id show the mother to be photos of aborted babies. she needs to be fully aware that a life is being taken
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i would also reduce it from 24 weeks. a 24 week year old baby is pretty much a fully formed baby. whats the difference between killing it inside or outside the womb?
I agree. Especially because nowadays smaller and smaller, more premature babies can actually survive outside of the womb.

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No one's saying that you should only have sex for reproduction but if you're going to have sex at all, be prepared to face the consequences. And if you can't then why have it at all? It's just piss poor thinking.
erm okay, so if for example the condom splits and the woman becomes pregnant are you genuinely saying she just has to face the consequences?
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erm okay, so if for example the condom splits and the woman becomes pregnant are you genuinely saying she just has to face the consequences?
Either way, condoms are not 100% effective so there's always a chance that pregnancy could be on the cards.
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erm okay, so if for example the condom splits and the woman becomes pregnant are you genuinely saying she just has to face the consequences?
yes

but I wouldnt call a beautiful baby a consequence, would you?

This conversation was outlawed under labours politicallly correct radicalism. it must be discussed. also photos of terminated babies should be made public and shown to all mothers considering abortion
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The huge majority of abortions are carried out before the 12 week mark. Only around 10% are done after 13 weeks. An abortion done after this time is more likely to be a case of the child having disabilities (which sometimes cannot be picked up on until your 20 week scan) or it turns out continuing with the pregnancy would cause health risks to the mother, or someone not finding out they were pregnant until very late. So to me, the argument on lowering the time limit...well its kinda self regulating anyway to begin with.

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Most abortions (around 90%) are carried out before a pregnancy reaches 13 weeks, and virtually all abortions (around 98%) are performed before 20 weeks.
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Abortio...t-be-done.aspx

It is quite upsetting though to think that a child born at 24 weeks has a ~40% chance of survival (with a lot of medical intervention..and would usually have severe disabilities as a result of such a premature birth though) whereas terminations can be carried out up until this time too.
I am pro-choice, however I detest those who have multiple abortions, as clearly they do not take it as seriously as it is. I also do not understand why people would continue to have abortions rather than use contraception in future...as abortions are extremely painful, both physically and mentally.

Edit. I also hold the (usually quite unpopular) opinion that a childs father should also have a say in things like this. At the moment it is only down to the woman. While it is her body and her health that would be affected by continuing with the pregnancy, I do not think it is right for the father to have no say at all in the life of his baby.

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erm okay, so if for example the condom splits and the woman becomes pregnant are you genuinely saying she just has to face the consequences?
Yes. If you have sex you run the risk of making a baby. That's what sex is for. That's common sense.

Ross Gellar had the same problem. He didn't read the packet which told him condoms aren't 100% effective.

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