[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Mohammed married Aisha aged 6, and had sex with her when she was 9, and he was 54. When this man is your moral guide, then one thing follows the other.

You do realise life was alot difference back then to now,right? Situations similar to this were common even in England too.

It's also ridiculous to assume a small minority of Asian men who do this is due to what you stated.

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

It's not really spoken about publicly, so we can avoid having a discussion about the things Mohammed actually did in his life.

It's used as a smear campaign all the time...

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

You do realise life was alot difference back then to now,right? Situations similar to this were common even in England too.

It's also ridiculous to assume a small minority of Asian men who do this is due to what you stated.



It's used as a smear campaign all the time...

Point 1 - Life may have been different, but this is a so-called prophet who supposedly had an angel Gabriel iphone with god on speed dial. If you're saying that the morality of humanity has changed to frown upon these things over time, then we are in agreement. What I find difficult to believe, is that you seem to be excusing his behaviour in the context of the time period. Either he was a prophet who should know better, or he's a power crazy peedophile. He can't be both.

I didn't say they did it because of the Aisha, I just gave context for it to happen. When their prophet is a child molester, who Muslims believe was the final messenger from God, and his actions in life (through the hadiths) are just as important as the Koran, then he can't be bound to the norms of that period in history.

If he was talking and receiving messages from god, why didn't the big man upstairs tell him "Oi, Mohammed, no marrying 6 year old girls, and ****ing them when they are 9.

I can be repulsed by the whole thing and see it for what it is. I don't have to try and play historical gymnastics to try and excuse the behaviour of men supposedly inspired by the creator of the universe.

Rather than worrying about the smear, maybe you'd care to counter it with a point other than, they were all paedo's back then?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Point 1 - Life may have been different, but this is a so-called prophet who supposedly had an angel Gabriel iphone with god on speed dial. If you're saying that the morality of humanity has changed to frown upon these things over time, then we are in agreement. What I find difficult to believe, is that you seem to be excusing his behaviour in the context of the time period. Either he was a prophet who should know better, or he's a power crazy peedophile. He can't be both.

I didn't say they did it because of the Aisha, I just gave context for it to happen. When their prophet is a child molester, who Muslims believe was the final messenger from God, and his actions in life (through the hadiths) are just as important as the Koran, then he can't be bound to the norms of that period in history.

If he was talking and receiving messages from god, why didn't the big man upstairs tell him "Oi, Mohammed, no marrying 6 year old girls, and ****ing them when they are 9.

I can be repulsed by the whole thing and see it for what it is. I don't have to try and play historical gymnastics to try and excuse the behaviour of men supposedly inspired by the creator of the universe.

Rather than worrying about the smear, maybe you'd care to counter it with a point other than, they were all paedo's back then?

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

Originally Posted by the truth

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

I don't support Judaism. It's just developed into more of a secular presence in every day life. Christianity and Islam want to have a say in the public sphere.

I'm an anti-theist. I don't believe any of it is true, and I'm glad it's not. I favour religions that are happy to keep themselves to themselves and aren't continually looking to grow.

When was the last time you saw a bunch of Jews out in the city centre trying to convert people? You don[t, and you never would. Religion in private, and staying out of the public debate is fine with me. Religion that wants to shape our public policy on abortion or anything else, is not OK with me.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by the truth

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

That's not true at all, are you not familiar with the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel?

Judaism is no more free of fanatics and extremists than Christianity and Islam are

[Redway]

Originally Posted by King Moonracer

That's not true at all, are you not familiar with the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel?

Judaism is no more free of fanatics and extremists than Christianity and Islam are

That may be true, but Jews don't try and convert us, do they? At least not as much as the other religions I stated.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

Ridiculous generalisation.

You can't speak for the "majority" of any religion or group of people.

It's like saying all Liverpudlians are thieves, unsubstantiated hyperbole. You get crackpots everywhere, religious or not.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Marshmallow

Ridiculous generalisation.

You can't speak for the "majority" of any religion or group of people.

It's like saying all Liverpudlians are thieves, unsubstantiated hyperbole. You get crackpots everywhere, religious or not.

I know but I'm on about the ones I've come across.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

I know but I'm on about the ones I've come across.

Do you live in the 'Little Israel' area of Liverpool?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

I know but I'm on about the ones I've come across.

Well I find it difficult to believe you've come across and spent enough time with people from all these different religious groups to come to the conclusion you did.

Either way, you should refrain from using phrases like "vast majority" when it's nowhere near the case.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marshmallow

Ridiculous generalisation.

You can't speak for the "majority" of any religion or group of people.

It's like saying all Liverpudlians are thieves, unsubstantiated hyperbole. You get crackpots everywhere, religious or not.

100% agree with that. I would add Christians do laugh at themselves and do take criticism better than other religions such as Islam. they did a show on bbc jerry springer the opera, portraying Christ as an alcoholoic incontinent and Joseph as a paedophile. yes people polutely complained by letter but the show went on. they did a show criticizing Mohammad on stage and the muslims burnt the place down. Jews do have great humour but again the hardliners are too quick to accuse some of anti-semitism, sometimes its too the detriment of healthy debate imho