[joeysteele]

I don't believe things happened by accident, I do believe in some force that planned life.

I was brought up RC and I love most of all the teachings as expressed in the words attributed to Jesus. Only the words he has reportedly said, not Saint Paul with his bad tempers and getting up one morning preaching love and brotherhood for all then another day in a foul mood, condemning all and sundry.
That is where the Bible starts to fall away due to inconsistency.

Whether it is a God or a force,that I don't know and no one has a blueprint of what happened or what then happens too after we die.
It was claimed evolution was proven and that evolution proves creation by a force wrong,not so, for something to evolve it must first exist,so the answer still remains as to how whatever evolved came to be in existence in the first place.

As to after we die, I like to think there is a part of us, energy maybe, that remains in some dormant state, that other energy that we have been close to also will be gathered to that mass of energy for whatever in the far off future.

Sometimes fiction carries more sensible answers or possible interpetrations of possible answers, such as in the film 'Ghost' at the end, where he says he has to go now but that you take the love with you.
I don't believe after death that we go and have parties and meals and skip around all day in heaven but I can believe part of our energy goes on for some reason and that those we are connected to,then their energy is also afterwards gathered all together.

I could be totally wrong obviously but that's where I am personally as to any faith I have at the present time anyway.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't believe things happened by accident, I do believe in some force that planned life.

I was brought up RC and I love most of all the teachings as expressed in the words attributed to Jesus. Only the words he has reportedly said, not Saint Paul with his bad tempers and getting up one morning preaching love and brotherhood for all then another day in a foul mood, condemning all and sundry.
That is where the Bible starts to fall away due to inconsistency.

Whether it is a God or a force,that I don't know and no one has a blueprint of what happened or what then happens too after we die.
It was claimed evolution was proven and that evolution proves creation by a force wrong,not so, for something to evolve it must first exist,so the answer still remains as to how whatever evolved came to be in existence in the first place.

As to after we die, I like to think there is a part of us, energy maybe, that remains in some dormant state, that other energy that we have been close to also will be gathered to that mass of energy for whatever in the far off future.

Sometimes fiction carries more sensible answers or possible interpetrations of possible answers, such as in the film 'Ghost' at the end, where he says he has to go now but that you take the love with you.
I don't believe after death that we go and have parties and meals and skip around all day in heaven but I can believe part of our energy goes on for some reason and that those we are connected to,then their energy is also afterwards gathered all together.

I could be totally wrong obviously but that's where I am personally as to any faith I have at the present time anyway.

You made an error on your evolution point. What you're talking about is abiogenesis, which is the process by which something can turn from chemistry to life. Scientists don't quite understand this yet, but they are getting closer. Within your lifetime, this process will be fully understood.

Evolution as a theory is completely sound. You wouldn't jump off a building because you weren't quite sure about Newton's theories. Darwins theory is backed up by science across many disciplines, including geology, paleontology and biology.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

You made an error on your evolution point. What you're talking about is abiogenesis, which is the process by which something can turn from chemistry to life. Scientists don't quite understand this yet, but they are getting closer. Within your lifetime, this process will be fully understood.

Evolution as a theory is completely sound. You wouldn't jump of a building because you weren't quite sure about Newton's theories. Darwins theory is backed up by science across many disciplines, including geology, paleontology and biology.

It is claimed by some people that evolution disproves the creation argument,I have had many debates with those who believe in evolution and are adamant it rules out creation.
My point is simple, for something to evolve it or something it evolves from must first exist,so for me personally evolution does not in itself disprove the creative element.

Everyone has their views and interpetrations as to how they see things, you accept a different take as to evolution however I was relating my point above as to my discussions on this topic with others who also in their personal view take a different interpetration as to your own stance as to evolution.

Science may well come up with stronger evidence as you point out in your post, they have not as yet conclusively done so though.
Therefore others will form and develop their own views in the full lack of such evidence until it does come.
Science too though, has been known to at times backtrack on things it has said has been so in the past.
Scientists also disagree with other scientists. Who do we believe,who is right and who is wrong.
I go with feeling,which is what my post stated, that is where I am at at this point in time as to any faith or whatever people may want to call it.

A silly point maybe to make now but I am going to do so,
If I am watcHing a quiz on TV or doing a quiz with others, when a question is asked, I can have one of 3 feelings, I know for sure the answer so answer right off, I am not sure so take time to work it out,maybe never doing so or I haven't a clue so I say nothing feeling I would be totally wrong.
My feeling as to creation and what may or may not happen after we die, is as I put in my post,my feeling is confident enough for me to say that is where I am at the present time.
Just as you are equally confident in your position on things too.
It makes neither of us right but neither of us wrong either.