[Kizzy]

That's because she does have a point.
She is in an impossible position, to label her wacky is unnecessary.
Do you need a medical degree to debate an issue now?

[arista]

Today the Judge has said tomorrow
the boy will have urgent surgery,
to remove more of the tumour.

The Mother is against this ruling.



Ref Ch5News

[Petershaw1984]

Such a tough argument this

[Livia]

It seems the decision has now been taken out of her hands. I notice she had dismissed her barrister half way through the proceedings. It appears she can accept neither medical nor legal advice.

[Kizzy]

How disgusting.
This mother has the support of many experts in Europe and other areas of the world.
It is a shame that our approach to alternatives to established medical practices is so behind the times.
A glib dismissive attitude towards a heart wrenching situation could not be less humane, christian or even understandable to me....
All I can say is I hope that this child survives and the actions his mother took to save his life were not in vain.

[Nedusa]

Interesting debate inasmuch as there clearly is a point after which the State will intervene if it does not agree with the actions of the mother. So a mothers authority over her child is not unlimited if it is at odds with normally agreed medical practices.

Hope the boy in this case makes the best recovery he can regardless of which type of treatment he receives..!!

[B]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

How disgusting.
This mother has the support of many experts in Europe and other areas of the world.
It is a shame that our approach to alternatives to established medical practices is so behind the times.
A glib dismissive attitude towards a heart wrenching situation could not be less humane, christian or even understandable to me....
All I can say is I hope that this child survives and the actions his mother took to save his life were not in vain.

You can find "many experts" to argue any point you wish. The general consensus is that this is the only course of action to give her son a chance of living.

There are no reliable alternatives to medical practices for one simple reason - once you've proved that any kind of medical procedure works, then it becomes medicine.

What these alternative medicine pushers need to do, is put their work up for examination, explain how it works, and come up with a measurement for testing it.

What doesn't constitute evidence are a few anecdotes.

It's absurd to think this woman, despite having the best interests of her child at heart, is qualified to sign her son to certain death.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

[B]

You can find "many experts" to argue any point you wish. The general consensus is that this is the only course of action to give her son a chance of living.

There are no reliable alternatives to medical practices for one simple reason - once you've proved that any kind of medical procedure works, then it becomes medicine.

What these alternative medicine pushers need to do, is put their work up for examination, explain how it works, and come up with a measurement for testing it.

What doesn't constitute evidence are a few anecdotes.

It's absurd to think this woman, despite having the best interests of her child at heart, is qualified to sign her son to certain death.

What is absurd is the assumption that what the mother wanted was not a medical practice...
Why are you referring to alternative therapies?...
If you had any idea of the issue you would know that is the last thing the mother was proposing....

[arista]

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

But with the consent of his father.

[Kizzy]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...gh-Court.html#


While admitting that “no one could fail to sympathise” with Mrs Roberts and Neon's s father, Ben, 34, the judge backed evidence from medical experts, who had warned surgery needed to be completed "extremely urgently".

The couple declined to comment outside court.

Mrs Roberts later told the Daily Mail: "I'm not keeping this case going, spending taxpayers' money, for nothing.

"I believe in this. 'Death by doctor'– people need to understand how big a problem it is. I couldn't forgive myself if I did nothing."

The judge will hear arguments about radiotherapy treatment tomorrow.

The parents both want what's best for neon

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

What is absurd is the assumption that what the mother wanted was not a medical practice...
Why are you referring to alternative therapies?...
If you had any idea of the issue you would know that is the last thing the mother was proposing....

Can you explain what you meant by this then?

"This mother has the support of many experts in Europe and other areas of the world.
It is a shame that our approach to alternatives to established medical practices is so behind the times."

I may have misinterpreted your words, but if you could clarify, then that would help me understand exactly you were trying to say.

[Kizzy]

Ok, I meant established medical practices in the UK as opposed to in other parts of the world.
Not alternative therapies as there seems to be quite a lot of confusion surrounding that in this thread.

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Ok, I meant established medical practices in the UK as opposed to in other parts of the world.
Not alternative therapies as there seems to be quite a lot of confusion surrounding that in this thread.

"alternatives to established medical practices" really does suggest that's what you meant.

Can you expand on these alternatives? Such as?

[Cherie]

On a separate issue does anyone else think the way the police/social services handled this case was a bit over the top....apparently they took him from his Mum in the early hours of the morning and handed him over to foster carers until they could arrange for his Dad to pick him up... given the Mum posed no physical danger to the child I thought this was appaling as if the kid and the Mum aren't traumatised enough. If only social services were so vigilant in other cases we would never have seen cases like Baby P or is it because of cases like Baby P that they were over the top on this?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

"alternatives to established medical practices" really does suggest that's what you meant.

Can you expand on these alternatives? Such as?

I'm not going to apologize for the fact you misinterpreted what I said.
There is evidence of an alternative on this thread.

[Vanessa]

Well, i'm glad the boy is having surgery. At least it will give him a chance of beating cancer.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie Christmas

On a separate issue does anyone else think the way the police/social services handled this case was a bit over the top....apparently they took him from his Mum in the early hours of the morning and handed him over to foster carers until they could arrange for his Dad to pick him up... given the Mum posed no physical danger to the child I thought this was appaling as if the kid and the Mum aren't traumatised enough. If only social services were so vigilant in other cases we would never have seen cases like Baby P or is it because of cases like Baby P that they were over the top on this?

It does seen as if it's all or nothing with social services, this was not an abuse case there was no need for the heavy handed approach.
Baby P was tragic evidence of mismanagement between medical professionals and SS imo.

[Livia]

Great news that the little boy came through surgery well. Mother back in court today... I guess she's going to keep on demanding alternative opinions until she finds someone who agrees with her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

But with the consent of his father.

Thank God he has one sensible parent then!

[arista]

The Mother is in Court
right now


The Judge is to Rule Tomorrow on this

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Christmas Neeve

Thank God he has one sensible parent then!

He has two sensible parents..
The judge in this case was very sensitive to the feelings of both parents here.

[Ammi]

..I think the only important thing is that the little guy's ok...not some dispute over which pafrent is the most sensible...so long as they're both looking out for his wellbeing....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I think the only important thing is that the little guy's ok...not some dispute over which pafrent is the most sensible...so long as they're both looking out for his wellbeing....

Yes Ammi

Could you change your heading
as its no longer a Hunt?

[Cherie]

its brilliant he has come through the surgery, hopefully he will continue to respond well to whatever comes next.