[Irene Pearson]

Blimey one can spend ones life on here . My poor animals need feeding. Thanks for the chat folks. Ta ta for now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

It's hard cheese to the church members who are discriminated against though.

I suppose so, I guess I'm just of the thinking that I wouldn't want to be apart of such an exclusive type of organisation but then I'm not a religious person either so It's hard for me to try and step into their shoes

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

It's hard cheese to the church members who are discriminated against though.

is it not the church member's that go around with banner,s at gay people's funeral's

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Marshmallow

Irene, are you up to date on your HRT?

Oh you wag. I'm not actually Doc took me off it. Too old now he reckoned. Could be that

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

Oh you wag. I'm not actually Doc took me off it. Too old now he reckoned. Could be that

That's what it is. You're on a comedown.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Marczipan

Whoops. Sorry x

Ah thanks Marczipan You rascal! My new friends on here just think I'm barking.Not far wrong actually

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

Honestly I swear that it was deleted and has now re-appeared. Back me up Kizzmas you were in on the discussion. I know i'm getting on a bit but that was not a senior moment.Or I hope it wasn't!

Well marc said sorry maybe he did it! the cheeky monkey

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Well marc said sorry maybe he did it! the cheeky monkey

Yes think he did! Loving your name by the way.Also in reply to your previous post I would think that the bigots who do this at gay funerals are among the minority of congregants who are in opposition to this change.

[Nedusa]

So pardon my ignorance but I thought the Govt were trying to persuade Churches to allow same sex marriages, but now they have passed a law banning them ???

I'm confused, what is the real agenda at play here, is it to stop the main Churches bringing in a version of marriage that differs with the normal marriage service.

Anyone have a better handle on this issue as I'm sure there are other issues involved here...

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Marshmallow

That's what it is. You're on a comedown.

I was really enjoying a lovely heated debate with an interesting young lady named Livia when my post vanished along with Livia! It gets very lively on here doesn't it.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So pardon my ignorance but I thought the Govt were trying to persuade Churches to allow same sex marriages, but now they have passed a law banning them ???

I'm confused, what is the real agenda at play here, is it to stop the main Churches bringing in a version of marriage that differs with the normal marriage service.

Anyone have a better handle on this issue as I'm sure there are other issues involved here...

It seems to have been a very complicated solution to a very simple question doesn't it.I think the law applies to the C of E and the church of Wales

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

So pardon my ignorance but I thought the Govt were trying to persuade Churches to allow same sex marriages, but now they have passed a law banning them ???

I'm confused, what is the real agenda at play here, is it to stop the main Churches bringing in a version of marriage that differs with the normal marriage service.

Anyone have a better handle on this issue as I'm sure there are other issues involved here...

As it is illegal to perform gay marriage the church cannot be sued for discrimination

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

I was really enjoying a lovely heated debate with an interesting young lady named Livia when my post vanished along with Livia! It gets very lively on here doesn't it.

I didn't vanish Irene, I was working. You think Christians should be forced to marry everyone while other religions wouldn't have to. I don't agree because it is in fact discriminating against one religion. There isn't anything else to debate.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

If Prince Charles were gay and wished to be married in church the law would be changed instantly. If princess Ann had wanted to join the upper echelons of the COE females would be in situ. Just what has their ridiculous stance on such matters got to do with the simple teachings of a carpenters son. Men in frocks did not figure and all the other dramatics and OTT symbolism - where were they in Christ's time. People now see through all of this razzle dazzle and will not be dictated to any longer . We will not give you our money and have minds and souls of our own

If Prince Charles were gay, he would have a wife, be childless and probably be playing hide the sausage with men on the sly - there are so many examples of royal family members in history who have very clearly been homosexual but no one would have dared say it out loud because it would have been treason.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

Yes think he did! Loving your name by the way.Also in reply to your previous post I would think that the bigots who do this at gay funerals are among the minority of congregants who are in opposition to this change.

Thanks
It wasn't me who raised the issue of bigots at funerals, does this actually happen, and do the people that demonstrate their outrage at funerals consider themselves christians?...wow.
Now theres a debate in itself

[Z]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Thanks
It wasn't me who raised the issue of bigots at funerals, does this actually happen, and do the people that demonstrate their outrage at funerals consider themselves christians?...wow.
Now theres a debate in itself

Yeah, look up the Westboro Baptist Church, it's pretty despicable... there were bigots at Heath Ledger's funeral procession because he played a gay character in Brokeback Mountain - the man had a little girl, he wasn't even homosexual, he just played a character in a film one time. It's disturbing.

[Marcus.]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Thanks
It wasn't me who raised the issue of bigots at funerals, does this actually happen, and do the people that demonstrate their outrage at funerals consider themselves christians?...wow.
Now theres a debate in itself

hear hear

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Blitzeen

Yeah, look up the Westboro Baptist Church, it's pretty despicable... there were bigots at Heath Ledger's funeral procession because he played a gay character in Brokeback Mountain - the man had a little girl, he wasn't even homosexual, he just played a character in a film one time. It's disturbing.

Westboro Baptist Chuch is a very very extreme example LOL Think it's almost disbanded now as well. Loads of the family were leaving at one point.

[Kizzy]

Just had a nosy....they are crazy! haha
This is the kind of zealots that would bubble to the surface like farts in a bath if you tried to force any legislation.

[InOne]

Erm, nice...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

Erm, nice...

Not nice at all joe

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Livia

I didn't vanish Irene, I was working. You think Christians should be forced to marry everyone while other religions wouldn't have to. I don't agree because it is in fact discriminating against one religion. There isn't anything else to debate.

And I do not agree at all. I find your argument vacuous and extrinsic, circumventing the real debate for the sake of controversy. You seem to have an "I'm alright Jack" attitude- let's not challenge the discriminatory status quo especially if it involves "Religion".Well good for you. But pleases don't attack those who care about injustice and are not walking in your comfortable shoes.

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

Yes they have, and some are more tolerant than others, fair play to them.
However, why should westminster stamp on those who are not, it's not a faith then is it?
it becomes an enforced regime.

This has a Westminster stamp on ( as far as I understand) to prevent C of E and church of Wales being sued. Other Christian churches can opt in if they wish.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Irene Pearson

And I do not agree at all. I find your argument vacuous and extrinsic, circumventing the real debate for the sake of controversy. You seem to have an "I'm alright Jack" attitude- let's not challenge the discriminatory status quo especially if it involves "Religion".Well good for you. But pleases don't attack those who care about injustice and are not walking in your comfortable shoes.

I think you need to go and read what I said again, I think you're getting a little confused about what discrimination means.

This is a debate. If you feel I have "attacked" anyone, take it up with the moderators.

[Irene Pearson]

Livia I think you should change" Doesn't suffer fools" to It's my way or the highway" I am more than capable of reading and understanding your posts. Don't think you understand what you are arguing about or for what reason. And I still disagree with you.