[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. It seems as thought this case could finally be the straw that breaks the camels back. I don't think India is anymore of a barbaric country than most, but different countries have to reach their own enlightenment, and that change has to come from within.

We have to allow countries to get there own their own, and it seems as though recently, people are starting to speak out. You know me, and my views on everyone in society having a say, and being a voice, but the conditions that lead to men to commit crimes like this needs to be addressed, and the ancient caste system consigned to the history books.

The fact we put these people behind bars, doesn't separate us from India in my book. Humans are humans. If you are going to gang rape someone, and then further attack them, a 20 year prison sentence isn't going to dissuade them from doing it.

Well yes, change has to come from within and it seems for many it has and yet there are those who cling to the old ways...
Look at Britain 150ish years ago and the laissez-faire attitudes of the upper echelons of society, how caring were they of the slum dwellers who lived in squalor?
If India want an ordered society they HAVE to address societal issues that are hindering their progress.
Yes, there are always going to be those who have the urges to commit crimes against women, however if there are for these women laws and the support of law enforcement then it can only help to change perceptions of those who would commit these acts?

[Nedusa]

I think the diff between the two countries is highlighted by the attitudes of the populations of these countries. In Britain this crime is universally condemned by everybody from the man on the street to the queen herself. All depts within the British establishment would be actively seeking to find the perpetrators of this disgusting act and they would all be given very long life terms.

However in India we read the crime has not been properly investigated and that the local police force are dragging their feet , almost unconcerned. We also read that there is in place a strange caste system that condones certain actions of higher caste people carried out on lower caste people. We find in general attitudes to women by large numbers of Indian males is highly misogynistic.

These are the diffs between the two nations and clearly India needs to step forward a few hundred years and wake up to the fact that these views are not acceptable in a modern society.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by anniek76

I have been through a rape court case with a family member....she was warned all the way through that it was highly likely to NOT end in conviction even though when I arrived at her house the night in question she was bruised and bloodied and there was lots of physical evidence it wouldn't matter. The CPS don't allow many cases to get to court and the ones that do have high non conviction rates. The person was found not guilty due to irregularities in the attending police officers notes....it was a disgrace. I saw a once vibrant girl reduced to a mere shadow of her former self, pushed to drinking and depression because of the justice system in THIS country. I feel terribly for the girl in this story but KNOW there are some sick sexual predators in this country too.

I'm sorry to hear that Anniek, this country is a disgrace though and especially after the evidence you've just showed us that your friend was raped.

[brian3]

phrases like Barbaric Nation is what was used to justify going to other countricountries and doing bad things to the proplr there (including rape). If you use words like that, things will never change

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21003279

Police in India have arrested six men after they allegedly gang-raped a woman on a bus, just weeks after a similar attack shocked the nation.

The latest assault is said to have taken place in the northern state of Punjab. The police are searching for a seventh suspected attacker.

Last month, a 23-year-old student died of her injuries after the being raped in the capital Delhi.

Five men have been charged with her murder and are facing trial.

If convicted, they face the death penalty.

A sixth suspect, who is thought to be 17, will be tried separately in a youth court if it is confirmed he is a minor.

The Delhi attack prompted mass protests which prompted the government to set up special fast-track courts to exclusively deal with rape cases and also consider strengthening sexual assault laws, the BBC's Sanjoy Majumder reports.

Night attack

Police officials say that the latest victim was a 29-year-old woman.

She is believed to have been travelling on a bus back to her village on Friday night.

The driver and conductor allegedly refused to stop at her village, instead taking her to a desolate location not far from the city of Amritsar.

The two men are then believed to have been joined by five others and taken turns raping the woman throughout the night.

The victim was then dropped off near her village, where she was able to tell her relatives about the attack.

The extent of the woman's injuries were not immediately known.

Hanging's too good for them - bring back impalement .....

[Ammi]

..I read this story this morning...horrific..

..well, they are talking about the death sentence for the other ones and it could be the same with these...that's their decision...I don't wish to know or take any pleasure out of how they do it though..whatever they have done, I find the torture or killing of another human being barbaric...

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I think the diff between the two countries is highlighted by the attitudes of the populations of these countries. In Britain this crime is universally condemned by everybody from the man on the street to the queen herself. All depts within the British establishment would be actively seeking to find the perpetrators of this disgusting act and they would all be given very long life terms.

However in India we read the crime has not been properly investigated and that the local police force are dragging their feet , almost unconcerned. We also read that there is in place a strange caste system that condones certain actions of higher caste people carried out on lower caste people. We find in general attitudes to women by large numbers of Indian males is highly misogynistic.

These are the diffs between the two nations and clearly India needs to step forward a few hundred years and wake up to the fact that these views are not acceptable in a modern society.

Interesting idea, however for any society to evolve it takes time. It wasnt so long ago that laws were introduced in this country to ensure women's rights, equal rights given to people with disabilities, people from different ethnic origins, etc.

It will take time, however the publicity and the outrage created by these incidents will put pressure to change laws and thinking.