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lostalex · 21-02-2013, 01:44 PM

The truth is Muslims think that it's a war of the West against Islam. And plenty of people in their ranks will still be anti-west. no matter how much we try to tell them that it's not a war against Islam. They are brainwashed. like a cult.

21-02-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

The truth is Muslims think that it's a war of the West against Islam. And plenty of people in their ranks will still be anti-west. no matter how much we try to tell them that it's not a war against Islam. They are brainwashed. like a cult.

When Dubbya is on TV calling it a crusade, then I can sort of sympathise with my non-pork eating brothers and sisters.

lostalex · 21-02-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

When Dubbya is on TV calling it a crusade, then I can sort of sympathise with my non-pork eating brothers and sisters.

really? can you? when's the last time a christian strapped a suicide vest on in a muslim market place? when's the last time a christian hijacked a plane in the name of jesus? get real.

i understand you want to be empathetic Jesus, but really... get real.

21-02-2013, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

really? can you? when's the last time a christian strapped a suicide vest on in a muslim market place? when's the last time a christian hijacked a plane in the name of jesus? get real.

i understand you want to be empathetic Jesus, but really... get real.

I have no idea why any of that is relevant. It stopped being about 9/11 when our governments lied us into illegal war against Iraq. Afghanistan to get OBL was justified. Iraq wasn't.

I was responding to the point you made about Muslims thinking it was a war against the west. I think my point stacks up pretty well when you read it in that context. The Iraq war, plus dubbya talking of crusades would make me think they were taking a medieval approach to the Muslim world.

lostalex · 21-02-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ

I have no idea why any of that is relevant. It stopped being about 9/11 when our governments lied us into illegal war against Iraq. Afghanistan to get OBL was justified. Iraq wasn't.

I was responding to the point you made about Muslims thinking it was a war against the west. I think my point stacks up pretty well when you read it in that context. The Iraq war, plus dubbya talking of crusades would make me think they were taking a medieval approach to the Muslim world.

Well i don't think they lied. I think they were wrong, but they didn't lie. They were honestly responding to what they thought was a real threat though.

You forget what it was like in 2003. When everyone was screaming at the government "why didn't you prevent 9/11!, why didn't you catch it!" so of course they were being overly cautious.

It's easy to sit back in 2013 10 years later and forget the atmosphere of the time...

We were still scared in 2003, and we had a right to be scared in 2003.

It's easy to forget what it felt like in 2003. That's one of the problems with history, it's hard to make people remember what it actually felt like in that time period. Unfortunately historians don't do a good job of really describing what it FEELS LIKE to be in those periods.

21-02-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex

Well i don't think they lied. I think they were wrong, but they didn't lie. They were honestly responding to what they thought was a real threat though.

You forget what it was like in 2003. When everyone was screaming at the government "why didn't you prevent 9/11!, why didn't you catch it!" so of course they were being overly cautious.

It's easy to sit back in 2013 10 years later and forget the atmosphere of the time...

We were still scared in 2003, and we had a right to be scared in 2003.

It's easy to forget what it felt like in 2003. That's one of the problems with history, it's hard to make people remember what it actually felt like in that time period. Unfortunately historians don't do a good job of really describing what it FEELS LIKE to be in those periods.

We do know what happened because of people like Dick Clarke who have come out and told us. In the afternoon meeting on 9/11 the CIA was told to find a link between OBL and Sadam. The intelligence people told them there and then it was impossible as OBL hates SH, and thinks he's a heretic. So they lied there way to bollocks about 45minutes away from death, and WMDs being hidden.

I'll tell you what we, the people were doing in 2003, we were allowing our liberties stripped back through the politics of fear. As an American your rights are nothing like the rights envisaged the the founders. They've been stripped away after 9/11. We're all guilty.